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2. Abortion and Sexual Education A2 的15分到29分6秒语音对应的文本
Vivian:
I definitely agree。。。 with Daisy, 。。。there.
。。。。 That's definitely true。。。
。。。and then 。。。also it doesn't just rely 。。。on the government 。。or the schools.
。。。People always say, 。。。hey,。。。 it starts 。。。with the home 。。。and it really does,
。。。and for example, 。。I mean,。。。 if you 。。。were to。。。 put yourself 。。。in those same shoes,
。。。if I had a daughter 。。。or a son。。。, I mean,。。。
。。。 I eventually know。。。 I have to。。。 talk to them,
。。。 sure, 。。。this is the position。。。 that many parents 。。。are put in is.
。。。 I need。。。 eventually talk to。。。 my child about。。。 something like。。 this
。。。but "Are they there yet", 。。。so it's kind of like,。。。 kind of,。。。
。。。 you know,。。。 test you out, 。。。maybe test out the waters。。。 by coming out 。。。and saying...
"So, 。。。is there any thing 。。。you wanna talk about?"
。。。 kind of like。。。 in Luke's situation.
。。。But then of course the kids。。。 in the same situation 。。。were there,
。。。 it's an awkward topic。。。 for them, too.
。。。 And so they're not 。。。gonna say,
。。。yeah.。。。 Dad actually 。。。I wanna know 。。。about this.
。。。 So they just 。。。keep avoiding the topic.
。。。So you 。。。never end up talking about it 。。。。even though your child maybe 。。。16, 18, 20.
。。。You never。。 want to 。。。admit to。。。 yourself.
。。。Oh, 。。。my child is。。。 sexually active 。。。or is going to be,
。。。and 。。。so you 。。。never wanna really go in。。。 and you know. 。。。Yes, Bow.
Bow:
Um, yeah, 。。。that’s exactly right.
。。。That's how。。。 I felt 。。。when I first 。。。had my daughter,
。。。 and I thought 。。"oh" I'm just gonna be 。。a strict dad 。。。and she's never。。。 gonna have sex,
。。。 she's not gonna be。。 with boys。。。 and all this stuffs.
。。。 And then I met, uh, 。。。another father, 。。。who has a similar situation.
We called him 。。。a Cooter.。。。 Cooter's opinion 。。。was that,
。。。that's so stupid.。。。 I mean。。。 she's just 。。。gonna rebel against you even more,
she gonna 。。。become like。。。 a prostitute,
。。 she's gonna do it。。 for money, 。。。you know 。。it's just a natural res..,。。
res.., 。。。natural thing, 。。。you know. 。。That's 。。what people do.
Vivian:
God forbid。。。 your daughter does。。。 that ten years。。。 from now.
Bow:
Yeah, ok. 。。。But um, 。。。anyway... I kind of realized, ....you're exactly right,
....and I can't do that, ...I can't like,... you know... lock her up,
,,, and put a chastity belt on her, ,,,,or get the chastity rings...
,,, I just have to,,,, kind of try to ,,,,raise her,
,,,,, naturally ,,,,in hope like,,,, she'll be smart enough,,,, to make her ,,,,own decisions.
(Daisy: Hope that she has good judgment)
Vivian: ,,,,I definitely think.... that the more informed.... you are, t
.....he smarter you are, ....think about it, ....when you look.... at two 18-year-olds,
..... for example, .....and you have one.... that is very much educated.... and aware of her.... surroundings,
and current events ....and what not. .....One that is not ....so much aware of everything ....and informed.
When you see.... the ignorance.... and the naivete ....of one child versus the other,
.... you know,... that person.... that has more knowledge,
....you know, ...yeah they're,... they know.... what's going on,
.....but then also they're.... gonna be,
.....more aware of the bad things .....and they are gonna be.... smart ....about their choices
....and decisions versus the ones.... that are not so aware
.....and so out of curiosity ....and ignorance ....she's gonna go in there
.....and most likely be in a.... lot more dangerous situations.
Luke:
.....I think all kids respond to, uh,.... to just frankness ....and openness.
..... And it's really hard to do.... with a topic like that,
.....but I find that like.... coddling kids.... and just going like.... goo-goo ga-ga
...and stuff often they're just like,... OK,.... someone's making stupid voices to me.
.... That's not ....how they really talk.... when they're among themselves,
....so I think.... they'd really respond to, ....
.....to a subject like that ....which is very sensitive
.....if you can just show.... them you're comfortable ....talking about it like
.....at an early age.... even if you are not.
....If you can just sort of ...I don't know ....be open about... that stuff,
....be available ....to talk about ...those sort of things.
..... I think ....it wouldn't be such,
....such a hard thing to talk about.... because it really ....is a natural thing,
..... you know ....it's such an obvious thing
..... and it's just all this other sort of social conditions..... that make it sort of dodge ....to talk about, you know.
Vivian:
....And who here at the age ....of 15 or 16,
....didn't think ....that they were mature enough ....
....or adult enough to.... hear something... like this,
....when your parents do.... talk to you like.... that you're ...."Yeah, whatever",
..... and then.... it just makes ....you revolt against ...them more,
..... when they speak to you.... at such a level,
..... you know, ....when they if your parents had actually talking you ...at the age of 15
.....and sat you aside.... and sai. ...."Hey, you're an adult now,
.....you're mature enough to.... listen to this.
....Hey,.... let's just talk to.... each other ...like adults.
....This is how it is, .....and if you're gonna get involved
.... or I would prefer ....that you don't let me know.... this is ....how it goes.
.....If they are very frank.... with you,.... I mean, ....I honestly think that,.... yeah,
..... I would probably respond, ....not only ....with that,
..... you know, ....the whole sexual aspects.... but with many other aspects... as well,
..... at a much more mature level...... And probably ....grown up.... a little bit.
Bow:
....You're saying ....that if your parents were frank ....with you then
(Vivian: Yeah, I'm just)
.....I disagree ...with that.
(Vivian: You do why?)
.....Because ....I think.... the point.... that you made ....that teenagers, urn,
.... do think ....that they are mature..... because of that reason
.... they don't wanna ....listen to anybody.
..... And I think.... you don't realize.... that until you.... become an adult,
.....and I think ...if you're frank ....with them, yeah
....., they could be.... "yeah, whatever...., whatever,.... whatever."
Daisy:
..
.....Yeah,..... but it depends.... on the attitude .....that you have towards them,
.....I mean..... if you're treating your children ....like a baby ....the entire time,
..... I mean that, ....
....(Luke: .....And suddenly come up ....a.nd say,.... OK,
l.....et's talk about ....the birds and bees.)
.Exactly.
Luke:
.
....I mean you.... have to open.... with them even.... from a young age
......like just sort of ....let them know.... like
..... "this is .....what makes girls girls,...... this is makes boys boys,"
.....and like start..... at the really basic stuff.... like that, ....I mean.
Vivian:
....Cause the entire raising the child experience .....is an educational thing....
..... from very the beginning it ....leads gradually,
.....and slowly, .....and eventually.... toward the sex education thing ....as well.
Bow:
.
...OK thanks. ....I'll remember that.
Daisy:
.... Well...., you know,.... I just think ....that we're.... so way beyond.... on this discussion
.... I don't think .....it's even about ....how we approach it... with out kids any more.
.....I think it ....should be ....forced down their throats.
..... I think .....whether the government.... has to do that
....., the school ....has to do that, ....or the parents,
.... it should be made.... some law .....that makes it ....compulsory.
.... Because... I am not,.... I don't.... want my child,
.... if, even if she can't ....talk to me.... even if I have.... a great relationship.... with my child,
..... if he or she ....can't talk to me,
..... I wanna know .....she's getting.... that information.... somewhere else.
(Vivian: Right)
.....Because it's just way.... to dangerous. .....You take Korea,.... for an example,
...... you know, ....here's a country .....that has basically, ....my niece,....
..... I asked.... what she gets.... in school.
..... And they're still .....just giving them..... the biological processes,
.....you menstruate, ...the penis ....is inserted.... into the vagina ...and so on,... and so on, ...so on.
..... And she.... really knows... nothing ....about.... how to protect herself... from pregnancy.
....She doesn't know ....anything about ....sexual diseases.
.....She still thinks, ....and so does.... the rest of Korea,
.....which just .....makes me insanely ....angry,
..... that you can get AIDS ....by drinking out of ....the same cup as someone,
..... you know, ...I mean, ....it's just misinformation,
....and the thing,.... this is a country.... that has nightclubs..... that have professional,
..... you know,.... dm,.... hookers working there
...... And it's not just Korea...... It's the rest of Asia ....as well,...
..... and ....urn,.... it's ok.... to have hookers ....working in nightclubs as,
..... you know, .....girls ....that peel your fruit.... or pour your drink.
..... But it's not ok.... to teach.... the rest of... the country
..... that you need.... to wear a condom..... that you need.... to protect yourself,
.....that there's AIDS,..... there's other sexual diseases ....out there.
Luke:
..... What are the names.... of those night clubs?
Vivian:
..... Anyways, ....I do ...have to agree ....with Daisy ....on one point ...
......is the actual amount of education .....you are getting ....and at what age, too.
.....As I was.... saying before, .....I learned ....about the anatomy.... in elementary school.
.....But then like said ....especially ....when you are ...at that age.... you're very sensitive
.... and you hear ....a lot of information ......and that's not actually factual,
..... a lot of it is, ...just ....a lot of gossip .....that kids... pass around.
....Hey,... if you do this,... you get this. ....This happens... to you ....such and such
..... Literally, ....ninety percent of it ...is all false,
..... I mean, ....its false information ....and you should be ....informed.... with factual information
....whether it’s.... from school, ....or homes ...or whatever.
.....And ....even to ....this day, ....even from adults.... that I speak to, ....my friends.
.....There's ...a lot of people..... that are totally.... misinformed ....about certain things,
.....I mean,.... they may know it ....up to a certain point,
.... but then.... that they don't know.... the, the rest of it. ..
.....You know,.... I mean.... I'm talking about.... 30-year-old adults ....who don't know the
....., the entire picture, ...you know,.... and I mean, ...
......when these children ....are going up to ....junior high ....and they know ....basically the,
.....the little skeleton, ....but they don't know ...the meaty part of it,..
..... and then.... they hear all these rumors..... Even though, ....you think ....you're supposed to know
....you're not so sure,... and ....when you hear these rumors. ....Oh, that ....must be true,
....I mean,.... if they get factual information.... instead of being misinformed ...by their peers,
.... wouldn't ....that change.... a lot of things.
Luke:
.... Sure. ....I was growing up, uh, ...a lot of, ...uh,....
..... people.... that I knew..... who were starting to ....experiment ....with sex
..... under the understanding.... that you couldn't ....get pregnant the first time
...... And you couldn't.... get pregnant.... if you.... did it in a certain position
....., if the girl was... on top ....or something. ....So that ....was sort of a... form of birth control,
....you know. ...I wonder ...how many people ........got themselves .....in a lot of trouble.
.... It's the first time...... Forget about it.
Bow:
.....Girls believe that..... You win there.
Vivian:
..... I have a totally.... prime example;
......this is just ....something.... recent that .....I had recently read.
..... I heard that.... in Korea.... a form of,.... I think,.... I don't know,
..... if it was Korea .....or America.... whatever, .....but maybe.... twenty years ago,
.... a form of.... birth control .....was pulling out..... before the male ejaculated.
(Luke: It helps.)
..... It helps,.... yeah,.... but that is ....not 100 percent. ....That is not
(Daisy: Coitus interrupt us)
.....contraception. .....That is totally not,..... you know....., and I was... trying to ....explain,
.....no actually.... You know, ....it leaks out a little bit, .....and then also ....even,
and that's.... totally not contraception. .....And then.... the second fact ....which wasn't... a fact was,
.... um,.... there were.... many women.... that were confused.... as to
...... when you're menstruating.... if you.... have intercourse,....
...... you couldn't ....get pregnant, ....or when..... you're menstruating .
.....that was the time ...when you do get, ....you know, ...pregnant,... which was true.
......And so.... they were confused ....as to .....which was actually true.
....And so that.... is very dangerous information ....to have,
..... if you are on.... the wrong.... side of.
Daisy:
....Well, ....that's the rhythm method, .....and that's.... what the Catholic .....Church tried to.... get everybody.... to use it
....and that's .....why Catholic parents ....have so many children.
(Luke: ....That's .....why it's the main.... religion.... in Christianity.)
Vivian:
.... If you're ....to go to a doctor, .....ask him.... if this is true ...or not,
..... he probably would laugh.... in your face, ....because,... first of all, ....this is not a way to,
.....you know, .....protect yourself,
and..... perhaps..... if you don't wanna ....conceive children .....
.....that is not the way.... to go about things.
....And second,.... it isn't true,.... you know, ....I mean ....that is totally ....false information.
Luke:
....But it's hard,.... if people don't,.... if kids don't.... have anywhere to go to.... other than friends'
..... who also don't know.... the score, ...
.....and if parents aren't.... really forthcoming ....with.... that kind of information
..... and they don't ...get it ....in the schools,.... like ....where are.... they gonna get it.
Daisy:
..
..... That's why...., you know, ....I urge,.... you know.... parents.... to go and.... join their PTA
..... to write their ....local member..... to get their... governments.... to do something ....to make it ....compulsory.... in schools.
Bow:
..... I think it.... is actually ...in the States
...(Luke: It is.) (Vivian: In America)
.....the problem is, ....with that is,.... even though ....like.... anything else,
.....US history... is compulsory, .....but you gotta,.... a lot of kids.... in the poor neighborhoods ....don't go to school.
(Daisy: Right)
....So they are.... not showing up.... for the class,.... you know.
Daisy:
..... Well that's ....why I think .....that there needs ...to be some type of ....standard in,
....you know,.... in sex education..... in schools, ....and as Bow said,
..... you know,.... of course... there are... the poor kids,
....you know,..... in poor neighborhood.... that aren't getting.... that education.
.....But there are ....you know, ...I, I, the government ....even in the states,
...... is trying to.... do things about.... that ...I mean,
.....they've got welfare offices set up.... and people.... that go out,
...... they talk to women .....who are single mothers having children
..... and give them information..... about, ....you know, ....how to ....protect themselves.... both.... from sexual disease, .....and pregnancy.
..... And I think it.... has to be ......a national effort.... in any country..... that you live in.
..... If you have children .....and you're not involved, .....then you're not.... doing enough.
..... You have to go,..... you have to write..... to your local member.
..... You have to ....go to.... the village meeting,
..... discuss these things .....they're important...... And if you're.... not involved,
.... then.... if your child ....does get ....pregnant ....then you are... responsible ....for that.
Vivian:
.....And I think .....this eventually ....leads to ....another question
..... that is actually..... a very hot issue,
.....especially..... in the western countries.... these days.
..... I mean, ....what if all of this..... sexual education,...
...... it didn't work .....out in the end..... Hey..., what if, ...uh, ..
.it just didn't ....work out the way ....you wanted it for,
your daughter.... or son?
.....What if they did ...get pregnant ....or what if they ....got someone else pregnant,
....they'd been ...a situation.... where what?
....They may be ....students..... and they couldn't..... finish their education .
....or they'd be.... force to.... have home education.
.....There is a lot of situations ....going on out there.
.....And of course even ....as a young adult.... or an elder adult,
.....you may get pregnant..... and that is ....not the situation..... that you had ....planned on.
.... There are.... some options out there.... for you.... and they're.... difficult options,
.....and we can ....discuss some of the options... first,
.....and see ....how we all feel about this,.... um, ....obviously.... the topic is adopt..,
.... um, I'm sorry, ...adoption?.... Ok..... Those are one of ...the choices,
.....yeah,.... that's one of the choices,.... but abortion.
.....It is a really ....hot steamy issue,.... lots of people.... get very urn,
.....sensitive ....about this one, ....
.....so let's start off ....by saying like ....where we kind of stand.....
..... Are you pro? .....Or Are you against abortion? .....Are you for abortion?
.....And second..... let's talk about.... the choices ....that are involved.... with that.
.....You wanna ....start up Bow? ...Are you
...(Bow: Me?)
.... Luke?
Bow: ..
..Um,.... I think that.
Vivian:
.....What side ....are you on first?
Bow:
..... I don't.... choose either side,..... I'm neither.... pro-choice.... nor pro-life.
.....But I do, ....I believe that,.... um, ....there shouldn't be..... an abortion... if people are,
.... can be responsible,.... if they have..... the ability.... to be responsible,
.....but they're.... just choosing... not to be.... because... oh, ....it's gonna be... so hard on me.
.....I don't agree.... with that.
....I agree ....in extreme situations ....where depending on.... how that child... is gonna be raised,
..... if the child.... is gonna... grow up to be,
..... you know,..... raised ....in a terrible environment.... then maybe.... the best choice ...would be to,
.....you know, ....go ahead ....for the abortion.....
..... Um, ....if it had to.... do with ....a mother's health, ....um, ....basically yes.