5、《听说大突破》3册1.Jobs and Education压吗听懂练习

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Today's subject is jobs...... and education...uh
.....this is some-thing ........that any of us can relate to.

Vivian:

This is Viv.

Daisy:

Yes. This is Daisy. ......Definitely...... You know there's...... no substitute for.... a great education,
......I think .....and you know..... if you wanna get that job.
.... But then again, ....you have to be.... educating yourself .....for the right reasons.
......But I guess ......we'll get into.... that a little bit later so,.... how about you, Bow?

Bow:

Oh, yes...hey .....this is Bow. ......That is short for Boseesis.
......I have two things ......about the job .....and education...over to you Luke?

Luke:

I think a job is an education...... and I think education..... is not something you do..... at school necessarily.
I think it's something you do for whole life ....
….and you do it wherever you are.... whenever you are...... whatever you are.

Vivian:

Well obviously, .....they are both related .....and we'll discuss more about it...... Here we go.

Daisy:

Well, you know school for me....um...back ....way ....way way back..,
..... a long time ago, ....I really didn't enjoy.... it myself.
.... I didn't have good school .....experience...... How about you, Bow?

Bow:

Oh! .....Are you talking about .....high school or college?

Daisy:

High school.

Bow:

Uh. High school.., um...Well ....I really didn't care much about ....studying...
.....I like to um......have fun. ....And they say ....like in America,
....it was the best years of your life.

Daisy:

Right.

Bow:

Well they weren't really ....I suppose.

Daisy:

No,.... me neither.

Bow:

Because.... I fooled around ....so much ....I got kicked out.

Vivian:

You got kicked out of Catholic school?

Bow:

I didn't say Catholic school..... How did you know that? ...Viv, Yes I did.

Daisy:

For what?

Bow:

Um...we have a demerit system .....and if you get up ....to 20 demerits.... they kick you out.
.....And they kind of just let me keep going ....and I had 40.
....Twice the amount .....and they said.... we have to make an example of you,
.....mister Bow.... and they kicked me out.

Vivian:

.....So we're saying like.... what exactly were ....the reasons you've got demerits,
.... you know, ....like what kind of a...you know...

Bow:

....Let me see... I got caught cheating.., ....once that was 5 demerits.... and then uh...
.....I lit a fire .....in the pottery room ....and that was..,
.....uh that was probably ....the end of it right there..,.... the fire thing.

Daisy:


Did you do it on purpose?

Bow:

Yes, ....I did. ....Because ....there was this piece of work..... that I didn't really like.... and I poured some glue in,
....and lit it on fire ....but then I tried to put it out ...with water ...
…..but then it kind of dispersed ....all over the place ...and I got in trouble.

Daisy:

.....So kind of you weren't planning ....to be that big ....but it just kind of got out of hand.

Bow:

Yeh it escalated.

Daisy:

How about you Luke? ....How was your ....school experiences?

Luke:

Similar experience. ....It was more focused on... on social life,
.....and ...recreational stuff ...than actual studying.
.... I think that's what a lot of.... high school ....and elementary school is.... for people back home.
..... The only time you really buckled down.... when you get to university .....
…..just because you have to ......because the course load does increase.
.... But I never really yeh I was never that ....freaked up ...by high school..,
.....anything I applied myself a bit more in college .....and just goofed off got in trouble...
..... I used to sell fire crackers in my locker .....and one time I taped one to a candle
..... and I tried to blow it out .....and it exploded.... and I got suspended... for a day for that,
.....and an other time.... I threw a pie ....in the cafeteria.... across the room
.....I got in trouble for that ...started a food fight.

Bow:

I used to throw books out of the.... window of the library. ...That's kind of similar.

Luke:

That's pretty bad.

Daisy:

I, I used to steal books from library.

Luke:

Yeh.

Vivian:

Bad girl.

Luke:

Terrible.

Daisy:

How about you Viv?

Vivian:

...Me. I was a such a good ....girl in school.....
..... I used to look down upon all those girls....... who used to gather in bathrooms
.... and smoke in the stalls ....I was always early to school..,
..... and my PE teachers just loved me... they just ate me up.
.....I swear. ....I can call them .....and I'd just open my mouth... and they were like
....."Oh! Vivian, ....you're such a good student"
.......yeh...I kind of had it made in school.... I guess.

Daisy:

Um, ....did you ....do well in school?

Vivian:

Oh yeh..... I was a straight A student.

Daisy:

And did you graduate..... from high school valedictorian?

Vivian:

No, not exactly..... Last 6 months at school.... were so tragic ...for me and my mom.
..... We just.., you know... I dropped out of school.
..... I just couldn't take it any more.... being a perfect student.

Daisy:

The pressure..,..... the pressure of being... straight A student?

Vivian:

I can it's just you wanna try different things ....and after
.....just everything being.... handed to you ...on a silver platter..,
.... you know ....you just wanna do something different..,
....and just one day I..... just decided well ....I didn't wanna go to school ...and I wanted to play hooky
.....and it's just it was so much.... freedom all at once... I guess.

Bow:

....That's kind of interesting. .....The difference between.... the Korean you were raised
.....sort of in between a Korean educational system ....and American style of education.
....And one thing I noticed about.... the Korean education system
....is from the time you enter school ....maybe pre-school.... to the time ...maybe to the end of high school,
....this is the time where we ....goofed off basically
....applied ourselves ....a minimal amount of effort to get the grades ....and get things done.
....Whereas ....that whole time... in Korea,.... in the Korean society,
....children are being pushed to study.... almost every minute they have.
.....They go to school ....and they are pushed to study ....they go to academic institutes to study,
.... they're often pushed ....by their parents to have..,
..... to take piano lessons.... or gymnastic lessons ....or skating lessons or... any kind of lessons.
.... They never really have time.... to just be kids ....and goof off and... play and stuff.
.....And then when they hit university .....it's almost like they regress ...back into the childhood ....state of mind
....and if you seen university classrooms.... with ....the speaking ...
.and chatting during class..... leaning on each other and cheating
.... and just goofing off .....and having a gay ol' time.
....It's just so contrasted to ....what an American university classroom
.... would look like ....where everyone's attentive
....and conscientiously studying ....and giving their full attention.... to the professor.

Bow:

Well, that's the thing if they're not.... then they've kicked out.

Luke:

Exactly.

Vivian:

... I definitely.... agree. ...That's exactly.... how the difference... in cultures is.
.... My mother being.... Korean.... and my father being American.
....My father was more submissive ....in the relationships
....so he kind of let my mother... take over the family.
....But that's exactly ....how she was and... that's why.... I felt so much stress ...by the end of school ....
....was because.... from the minute you are in elementary school.
... she was pushing me to do everything perfectly... whereas everyone was just,
.... all the other kids especially in elementary ....or junior high you're... just having fun.
....I was pressured.... you know ....so much to get the grades and ....make the grade.
....Whereas ....after that then ....she always told me
.... as soon as you are an adult.... as soon as you're eighteen.... you do whatever you
.... want but until then ...okay it doesn't matter,
.... no matter what as ....long as you graduate ....after that you can do ....whatever you want
.....because then you're set you're made to go wherever.
.... But in the American culture ....my dad was actually saying.... the opposite,
.... enjoy now and then.... get into really good school ....and then you'll really study
..... because that's what's gonna lead to a good job. ....Totally the opposite.

Daisy:

....Well, I think that ....everybody it ...doesn't matter ...what culture you are from.
.... Everybody is in ....a different situation... with their family.
....Some parents ....are just naturally.... pushy
....and they want their children... to do well ...and some parents don't care.
....But the Korean .....education system ...
…..and I think probably ....a lot of other education systems.... in Asia especially ...the Japanese one
....seems to be quite unique..... in the fact at that, ...
....you know Luke was saying ....there is so much pressure on.... these children... from a young age.
.... And I think that's absurd...... Basically children ....are sponges
..... and they can learn anything ....they can absorb but .....even if they learn it... do they absorb it.
....I think that.... they're just learning ....a parrot like ...for want of a better word
.....and they're just taking.... in this information ....remembering it using it ....in their practical way.
......And not being able to apply.... anything that they learned in theory
.....and there's too much of it ....too.... too much to process.
.....I don't think.... they're able to process it
....and even in universities I had a friend ...who was studying engineering
.... and he had this assignment... with an American professor was visiting
..... and the American professor said... go ahead... and design....
.... one of those big cranes.... that you see on construction sites.
....And he thought, ...oh well,.... I'm a fourth year student.... I should know ...how to do that ...but he didn't.
....So he went to a construction site .....and asked the site manager
.... how would you design ...one of them.
....And the site manager said... who are you..... And he said I'm a fourth year ...university student.
....And he laughed at him ...and said, ....
...."Go back to school, ....you do that ...when you get a real job."
.... So there's no practical.... implication of ....anything they learn in ...school or university.

Vivian:

And that brings us to a point where..,
....and this is a kind of.... something they've been focusing on recently
.... is the difference in education,
.....the methods of education
... that they practice ....overseas and Asia .....versus Europe or the western countries
.... which is ....in the classroom situation
.....the teachers encourage ....students to respond .....even argue with the student ..and debate
.....and test out their ideas.... and theories ....in the classroom.
.... Whereas in Asian cultures.... you don't ....wanna talk back to your teacher,
....you want to... pretty much say
....everything you say ...is correct.... because once you argue........ or you ...were to say,
..... well, "What about this?"
....Then that means.... in the culture ....you're talking back to the teacher.
...... That's like.... that calls for reprimanding the child... or the student.

Bow:

....I think, um, .....the reason why the education .....system in Asia.... is not good.
....It's not just because ....I grew up in different ....kind of education system... but
..... I think that ....if you look at ....it more in a general
....sense of child development..... during those years if you're giving a child stress.
..... Of course that's going to.... affect them later on in their life
..... whereas kids are just designed ....so to speak to,
..... to be curious about ....and find out things... by themselves... and like ah...
..... have fun as they grow up and develop.
..... And I think like people ....that have a lot of stress
...when they are children.... it doesn't have to do ...with their education ....but maybe from divorce or,
.... you know,.... some other kind of traumatic event in their lives does affect them later on socially.
... And I think that's .....where college and being more strict.... in the western world ....is a good remedy for that.
....That's because.... I think that's ....where people really kind of ...develop themselves.

Vivian:

Right. I definitely agree. ....Because in the Korean culture ...
…..or in many other Asian cultures ....as well after so much
.....you know ...ten years of strict educational..,
.... you know..,.... pressures from the parents ....
…..and teachers in school you all of sudden
..... have freedom once you go to college... here in Korea.
....Whereas in a western culture,
....you're.... given all this freedom... at a younger age... to explore your ideas,
....go out and do things ....experiment ...with your friends ...and whatnot...
....but then in the college it's not because of ....the pressures.... you get from your parents
....but then you kind of mentally develop ...yourself and..,
.....you want to... you have to live on your own,.... you have to go to school,
....you know, .....you're responsible ...for many things ...away from your parents,
.... and so ....you just kind of naturally hone in on your,...
.... you know, ....you become an adult.
....You're more mature whereas here you..,
.... you break free all of a sudden and.... you actually getting really immature.

Luke:

I think that comes down to..... you're taught.... in the western society to.... think for yourself.
.... You're taught to be independent ...a little bit more.
....You're given.., ....there's a little more you have more..... control over your free time
.....but you are made to... understand the consequences
....if you don't use some of .....that free time to study or to do these things.

Bow:

Yes, exactly.

Luke:

You value your free time more ...because of that.

Bow: And I'll give you an example of that... exactly you do... get a.... sense of freedom
.... from your parents ...when you go to school ...in America... but
.... this is exactly right..... What happened to me was
... that in freshman... year they load you down
.... like seven courses ...in architecture right?
.....So you have a really tight schedule.
... but.... the first year of college..... you're away from your parents
....so you can get away with murder.
....So that's ....what we do we drink every night ...on weekdays
....and then we like skip classes
.... and stuff ....and then all of sudden... you get a notice ....from the dean..
.... that says you're grade point average is below two.
.... You know and ....if it continues this way you're gonna get kicked out...
.... so then we say to ourselves well we kind of
....want this freedom to continue .....if we get kicked out.
......We're gonna have to move back.. in with our parents.
..... So then we kind of buckle down a little bit
....but as you go through college more
....and more you start to actually learn things that you like...
.....like you're learning things ...that are interesting ...
......and when you're in elementary school.
….. and in high school ....learning about like Math
....and stuff ....and they are just force feeding
.... you this stuff you don't naturally wanna learn it.

Vivian: Ye! You have curriculum that you have to take.

Daisy:

Um... one of the interesting things is ...you know I grew up in Australia.
....The Australian education system ...is different again .....from the American system.

Bow:

What is it actually?

Daisy:

...The Australian education system? ...(Bow: I don't know) ...
......well in America.... your focus is basically.... still on the three R's right?
....reading,... writing,... and arithmetic.
.....Well .....it's a little bit different ....in Australia.... up until.... grade eleven....
..... you can...uh...you must study Math ...and English.
....The only compulsory subject.... when you graduate.... is English.... you don't have to do Math.
.... And you..... the, choices that you have to pick .....you can basically ....design your own syllabus in high school,
.....um, which I think is fantastic idea. ....And there are subjects ...ranging from ....art to metal working,
.....wood working, ....photography,.... um music, ....dance,... sports.
...It's, uh, ....there are so many different ....curriculum ....to choose from that
....anyone... can basically succeed
.....and get enough points..... to get into university if they want to...

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Today's.... subject is jobs...... and education...uh
.....this is some-thing ........that.... any of us ....can relate to.

Vivian:

This is Viv.

Daisy:

Yes. ....This is Daisy. ......Definitely
...... You know ...there's no.... substitute for.... a great education, ......I think
.....and you know..... if you wanna get that job.
.... But then again, ....you have to be...(uh) educating yourself .....for the right reasons.
......But I guess ......we'll get into.... that a little bit later.... so,
.... how about you,.... Bow?

Bow:

Oh, yes...hey .....this is Bow. ......That is short for Boseesis.
...(and)...I have two things ......about the job .....and education
...over to you... Luke?

Luke:

(uh)I think a job is an education...... and I think education
..... is not something you do..... at school... necessarily.
.....I think it's something you do for whole life ....
......and you do it... wherever you are
.... whenever you are...... whatever you are.

Vivian:

Well obviously, .....they are both related
.....and...we'll.... discuss... more about it
...... Here we go.

Daisy:

Well, ...you know... school for me....um
.....back ....way ....way way back..,..... a long time ago,
....I really didn't enjoy it ....myself.
.... I didn't have... good school .....experience
...... How about you, Bow?

Bow:

Oh! .....Are you talking about .....high school.... or college?

Daisy:

High school.

Bow:

Uh. ....High school.., um...Well
....I really didn't care.... much about .(um)...studying...
.....I like to um......have fun. (mm).
...And they say ....like in America,
....it was the best years of your life.

Daisy:

Right.

Bow:

Well... they weren't really ....I suppose.

Daisy:

No,.... me neither.

Bow:

Because.... I fooled around ....so much ....I got ...kicked out.

Vivian:

(yeah)...You got kicked out of.... Catholic school?

Bow:

I (I)didn't say ...Catholic school
..... How did you know that? ...Viv, Yes I did.

Daisy:

For what?

Bow:

Um...we... have a demerit system ....(haha)
.....and (uh)... (if)if you get up ....to 20 demerits.... they kick you out.
.....And they... kind of just let me keep going ....and I had 40. (so we're)
....Twice the amount .....and they said.... we have to make an example of you,
....(mister)....mister Bow.... and they kicked me out.

Vivian:

.....So we're saying like.... what... exactly were
....the reasons... you've got demerits,
.... you know, ....like what kind of a...you know...

Bow:

....(um)...Let me see... I got caught(uh)... cheating..,
....once... that was 5 demerits.... and then uh...
.....(and then uh)...I (litle) a fire .....in the pottery (yeah)... room ....and that was..,
.....uh that was probably ....the end of it right there..,.... the fire thing.

Daisy:


Did you do it on ...purpose?

Bow:

Yes, ....I did. ....Because ....there was... this piece of work.....
.....that I didn't really like.... and I.... poured some glue in,
....and lit it on fire ....but then... I tried to put it out ...with water ...
…..but then ....it kind of dispersed ....all over
....the place ...and I got in trouble.

Daisy:

.....So kind of you weren't planning ....to be that big
....but it just... kind of got out of hand.

Bow:

(Yeah)... it escalated (oh)

Daisy:

How about you Luke? ....How was your ....school experiences?

Luke:

Similar experience. ....It was more... focused on.(um).. on social life,
.....and (um)...recreational stuff ...than actual studying.
.... I think ...that's what a lot of.... high school (oh)
....and elementary school is.... for people back home.
..... The only time you really... buckled down.... when you get to university ..(yeah)...
.....just because you have to(right)
......because the course load... does increase.(right)
.... But I ...never really (yeah)... I was never that ....freaked up ...by high school..,(uh)
.....anything ....I applied myself a bit more in college
.....and just goofed off got in trouble...
..... (um) ...I used to sell fire ...crackers in my locker
.....and one time I taped one... to a candle
..... and(um) ...I tried to blow it out .....and(uh)... it exploded
.... and(um) ...I got suspended... for a day for that,
.....and an other time.... I threw a pie ....in the cafeteria.... across the room
.....I got in trouble for that ...started a food fight.

Bow:

I used to throw... books out of the.... window of the library
. ...That's kind of similar.(ha...)

Luke:

That's pretty bad.

Daisy:

I, I used to steal... books from library.

Luke:

(Yeah.)

Vivian:

Bad girl.

Luke:

Terrible.

Daisy:

How about you Viv?

Vivian:

...Me..... I was a such a good ....girl in school.....
..... I used to look down.... upon all those girls.
...... who used to gather.... in bathrooms
.... and smoke in the stalls
....I was always.... early to school..,
..... and my PE teachers... just.... loved me... they just... ate me up.
.....I swear. ....I can call them .....and I'd... just open my mouth... and they were like
....."Oh!..... Vivian,(uh) ....you're such ...a good student"
......(.yeah.)..I kind of had it made in school.... I guess.(ha..)

Daisy:

Um, ....did you ....do well in school?

Vivian:

Oh (yeah)..... I was a straight... A student.

Daisy:

And... did you ....graduate(um)..... from high school.... valedictorian?

Vivian:

No, not exactly..... Last 6 months at school.
..... were so tragic ...for me and ...my mom.
..... We just.., you know... I dropped out of school.
..... I just couldn't take it any more.... being a perfect... student.(yeah)

Daisy:

The pressure,..... the pressure of being... straight A student?

Vivian:

I can.... it's just....(just) you wanna try... different things ....and after
.....just... everything being.... handed to you ...on a silver platter..,
.... you know ....you just wanna... do something different.., ....and just one day I.
.... just(just) decided well ....I didn't wanna go to school (uh)...and I wanted to play hooky (uh)
.....and it's just ...it was so much.... freedom all at once... I guess.

Bow:

....That's kind of interesting.(uh) .....The difference between
.... the (uh)....(the) Korean you were raised
.....sort of in.... between a ...Korean educational system
....and American style of education.
....And ...one thing I noticed about.... the Korean education system
....is ...from the time you... enter school ....maybe pre-school
.... to the time ...maybe ...to the end of... high school,
....this is the time where we ....goofed off... basically
....applied ourselves ....a minimal amount of.... effort to get the grades ....and get things done.
....Whereas ....that whole time... in Korea,.... in the Korean society,
....children are..... being pushed to study.... almost every minute they have.
.....They go to school ....and they are pushed to study
....they go to.... academic institutes... to study,
.... they're (um)....often pushed ....by their parents to have..,(um)
..... to take piano lessons.... or gymnastic lessons ....or skating lessons or... any kind of lessons.
.... They never really have time.... to just ...be kids and ...goof off and... play and stuff.
.....And then.... when they hit university
.....it's almost like they regress ...back into the childhood ....state of mind
....and...(and) if you seen.... university classrooms.... with ....the speaking (um)...
.....and chatting during class..... leaning on each other and cheating
.... and just goofing off .....and having a gay ol' time.
....It's just so.... contrasted to.... (that an)....what an American university classroom
.... would look like ....where everyone's attentive
....and conscientiously studying ....and giving their... full attention.(to)... to the professor.

Bow:

Well, that's the thing ...if they're not.... then they've ...kicked out.

Luke:

Exactly.

Vivian:

... I ...definitely agree. ...That's exactly.... how the difference... in cultures is.
.... My mother being...(um).... Korean.... and my father being American.
....My father was more submissive ....in the... relationships....so
....he kind of let my mother... take over the ...(uh )family.
....But that's exactly ....how she was and... that's why
.... I felt so much stress ...by the end of school ........was because....
... from ......the minute you are in ....elementary school.
... she was pushing.... me to do.... everything perfectly
... whereas... everyone was just,
.... all the other kids.... especially in elementary
....or junior high... you're... just having fun.
....I was pressured.... you know ....so much to get the grade...s and
....make the grade. ....Whereas ....after that then ....she always told me
.... as soon as you are an adult.... as soon as ...you're eighteen
.... you do whatever you.... want ....but until then ...okay it doesn't matter,
.... no matter what as ....long as you graduate
....after that you can do ....whatever you want
.....because then.... you're set.... (you're)... you're made to go wherever.
.... But in.... the American culture
.....my dad was actually saying.... the opposite,
.... enjoy now and then.... get into really good school
....and then... you'll really study
..... because that's ....what's gonna lead
....to a good job.(yeah) ....Totally the opposite.

Daisy:

....Well,.... I think that ....everybody it ...doesn't matter ...what culture you are... from.
.... Everybody ...is in ....a different situation... with their family. (right)
....Some parents ....are just naturally..(uh).. pushy
....and they want their children... to do well(sure)
...and some parents... don't care.
....But ...the Korean ..(um)...education system ...
....and I think probably ....a lot of other education systems.
.... in Asia especially ...the Japanese one
....(um)....seems to be quite unique
..... in the fact (uh)...at that, .......you know... Luke was saying
....there is so much pressure on.... these children
... from a young ...age.
.... And I think that's... (it's)absurd...(uh) Basically children ....are sponges
..... and they can learn ....anything ....they can absorb... but
.....even if they learn it... do they absorb it. (mm)
....I think that.... they're just(uh) learning
....a parrot like ...for want of a better word
.....(um)and ...they're just taking.... in this information
....remembering it.... using it (mm)....in their practical (um)...way.
......And not being able to apply.... anything that they learned in theory (mm)
.....and there's too much of it too.... too much to process.
.....I don't think.... they're able to process it
....and even in universities ...I had a friend ...who was studying... engineering
.... and(um) ....he ...had this assignment.(that ).. with an American... professor was visiting
..... and the American ....professor said... go ahead... and design....
.... one of those big cranes.... that ...you see on ...construction sites.
....And ...he thought, ...oh well,....(I'm a )... I'm a fourth year student
.... I should know ...how to do that ...but he didn't.
....So he went to ...a construction site .....and asked the site... manager
.... how would you design ...one of them. (mm)
....And the site... manager said... who are you.(haha)
.... And he said ...I'm a fourth year ...university student.
....And he laughed ...at him ...and said, (uh)....
...."Go back to school, ....you do that ...when you get a real job."(right)
.... So there's no ....practical...(uh). implication of
....anything they learn in(right) ...school or university.

Vivian:

And that brings us... to a point where..,
....and this is a kind of (uh)
... something they've ....been focusing on... recently
.... is the difference in education,
.....the methods of education... that they practice
....(um)overseas and Asia
.....versus ...Europe(or)... or the western countries
.... which is ....in the classroom ...(uh claassrom) situation
.....the teachers ...encourage ....students to respond
.....even argue with the student ..and debate
.....and test out their ideas.... and theories ....in the classroom.
.... Whereas in.... Asian cultures.... you don't ....wanna talk... back to your teacher,
....you want to... pretty much say
....everything you say ...is correct.... because once you argue........ or you ..(uh) were to say,
..... well, "What about this?"
....Then that means.... in the culture ....you're talking back to the teacher.(right )
...... That's like.... that calls for
.... reprimanding the child.(right, right).. or the student.

Bow:

....I think, um, .....the reason... why the education
.....system in Asia.... is... not good.
....It's not just because ....I ...grew up in different
.....kind of education system... but
..... I think that ....if you look at it... more in a general ....sense of.... child development.
.... during those years.... if you're giving a child stress.
..... Of course that's going to....(to) affect them later on.... in their life
..... whereas kids are just... designed
....so to speak to,..... to  (uh)....be curious about ....and find out things
.... by themselves... and like ah...
..... have fun as they grow up and develop.

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..... And I think like people ....that have a lot of stress
.....when they are children.... it doesn't have to do
...with their education ....but maybe from divorce or,
.... you know,.... some other kind of traumatic event in.

... their lives does affect.... them later on socially.
... And I think that's .....where college..... and being more strict
.... in the western world ....is a...(a) good remedy for that.
....That's because.... I think that's ....where people really kind of ...develop themselves.

Vivian:

Right. I definitely agree. ....Because ....in the Korean.... culture
.....or .....in many other Asian cultures (well)....as well... after so much
.....you know ...ten years.... of strict.... educational..,
.... you know..,.... pressures from the parents
......and teachers in school.... you all of sudden
..... have freedom once you go to college... here in Korea.
....Whereas.... in a ....western culture,
....you're.... given all this freedom
... at a younger age... to explore ...your ideas,
....go out and do things ....experiment ...with your friends ...and whatnot...
....but then in.... the college
....it's not because of ....the pressures.... you get from your parents
....but then... you kind of... mentally develop ...yourself and.., .....you want to
... you have to live on... your own,
.... you have to go to school,
....you know, .....you're responsible ...for many things
....(oh)away from your parents,
.... and so ....you just kind of naturally... hone in on ...your,...
.... you know, ....you become an adult.
....You're ....(you're)  more mature whereas here you..,
.... you ( you....)break free all ...of a sudden and
.... you actually getting really immature.

Luke:

I think that comes down to..... you're taught
.... in the western society to.... think for yourself.(mm)
.... You're taught to be independent ...a (little) bit more.
....You're given.., ....there's a little more .(right)
....you have more..... control over your free time (right)
.....but you are made to... understand the consequences
....if you don't ....use some of .....that free time
.... to....(to) study or... to do these things.

Bow:

Yes,(yeah)... exactly.

Luke:

(you uh)...You value... your free time more ...because of that.

Bow:

And I'll give you an example of that... exactly you do... get a.... sense of freedom
.... from your parents ...when you go to school ...in America... but
.... this is exactly right..... What happened... to me was
... that in freshman year.... they load you down
.... like seven courses ...in architecture ,(right?)
.....So you have a really... tight schedule.
... but.... the first year of college..... you're ...away from your parents
....so you can get away... with murder.
....So that's ....what we do
....we drink every night ...on weekdays
....and then we like skip classes.... and stuff
....and then all of ...sudden... you get a notice ....from the dean..
.... that says you're grade point average.... is below.... two.
.... You know and ....if it continues... this way.... you're gonna get kicked out...
.... so then we say to ourselves.... well ....we kind of
....want this freedom to continue .....if we get kicked out.
......We're gonna have to... move back.. in with our parents (hey)
..... So ...then we kind of buckle.... down a little bit
....but as... you go through college more ....and more
.... you start to actually learn things that you like...
.....like you're learning things ...that ....are interesting ...
......and when you're in elementary school.
..... and in high school ....learning about like Math
....and stuff ....and they are just force feeding(right)
.... you this stuff ....you don't.... naturally wanna learn it.

Vivian: Ye! You have curriculum ...that you have to take.

Daisy:

Um... one of the interesting things is (um)
.....you know I grew up in Australia.
....The Australian ....education system ...is different
.....again .....from the American system.

Bow:

What is it ...actually?

Daisy:

...The Australian education system? ...(Bow: I don't know) ...
......well... in America.... your focus is basically
.... still ....on the three ...R's right?
....reading,... writing,... and arithmetic. (haha)
.....Well ....(en)...(um)it's a little bit different ....in Australia.... up until.... grade eleven....
..... you can...uh...you must study Math ...and English.
....The only compulsory ....subject.... when... you graduate.... is English.
.... you don't have to do Math (mm)
.... And you..... the, choices ...that you have to pick
.....you can basically....design your own... syllabus in high school,
.....um,.... which I think... is fantastic idea
.....And there are subjects ...ranging from
....art ....to metal working, .....wood working, ....photography,
.... um..... music, ....dance,... sports.
...It's, ....uh, ....there are ...so many different (um)
....curriculum ....to choose from that
....anyone (um).. can basically succeed
.....and get enough points..(mm)
... to get into university ...if they want to...

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Bow:

But you have, have a core group of courses that you have to take too I mean you have electives a certain number of core courses that are mandatory...

Daisy:

Right,.... but in the core groups you have .......English you don't ... math is not..,
......you know ......a prequisite for .....college..... unless you got you need it....... for the course you're gonna study in college.
...... But the core groups ......would be .....the sciences,... history.... and English as compulsory,
.....that's the only one ....that is compulsory.
.....But in those core groups ......there are several different things to study,....
...... the sciences ......they can range..... from anything.... from biology.
......I think there's natural sciences .......which is just a study of...... basically the environment .....and current events .....and things like that.
.....But I think that .....is good idea, .....and the reason being.
..... because all children....... and all people...... are not designed...... for the three R's........ if you're just raising..... students ......and I think it definitely .....has things to do.... with economic groups, too.
......Children that grew up in........in privileged families .....have been learning to read .......and write even .....before they got into kindergarten
..... but some kid from the ghetto ......is already..... ten paces behind...... a privileged child.
......But, he might be ......an extremely ......talented..... photographer ....or artist.
.....I think that .....we need to .....gear our curriculum ......in schools .....around that ....to um,
.....be targeted all children ......not one group of children.
..... And that way .....everybody has an...... opportunity to succeed.

Vivian:

Well I agree...... I guess it depends upon .......which school that..... you're going to....... but when I went to school in Georgia
..... it was a very .....restricted curriculum..... that we all had to attend.
.....But then .....I changed to international school ......and it was similar to..... the system that you're describing now.
...... Whereas .....we had to take everything ......which is one .....elective um...
.....when I went to .....the international school ......they had a curriculum .....very much similar to .......what .....
.....you have just described. ......You had to take certain, ......you had to take certain classes
....but they had 6-7 different..... what do you say?
.... Venuses of that....... for example ......science like you mentioned....... you can study natural sciences,
.....or you can .....study biology .....and whatnot..... In the other schools .......take each one as ......you went up one ....grade but here
........you get to choose .....which one you.... want to study .....and you can choose and...... study it until you graduate.
.....And the remainder .....of your classes...similar.., the same thing...... even history .......you could study just ....contemporary or....... current history or..... you know.... about...

Daisy:

.Well my major .....was English Literature...... and obviously..... for English Literature .....you don't need.... math.
..... And I did very well in.... school .....and but..... if I had have taken math..... when I graduated from school.
..... I wouldn't have got ....into the university..... that I did get into.
.....And I also ......wouldn't have got the grades .....and that .....one grade .....in my final
........ what is equivalent .....of the SATs ain the states..... that one grade....... for math would have brought me down.... probably an average maybe about ....15 marks...

Vivian:

Right..... Eventually it brings down...... your grade point average..... because it's not ...what you are,
....you know ...talented in... honed on in.

Bow:

Yeh but I think .....in other aspects of life you need math.
..... People use ....even though ....like people.... in my university .....were always..... like I hate calculus why the hell..,
.... why am I taking calculus. .....I'm never gonna use it again.... but it turns out..,
..... they've proven ....that people..... use calculus everyday..... just not in the form.... of in numbers.... and stuff like that.

Daisy:

But I took it ....for in eleven years,..... you know,..... it was just last year .....that I graduated
..... so it wouldn't .....affect my grade to .....get into university... I didn't take it.
.... So I already had eleven years of training in it,
....So ...I think that's.... fair enough.

Luke:

It teaches... I think it teaches.... students to be.... well rounded
.... because that's the reality ...of the work force.
..... If you're going to..... like if you think of ....the people ....you knew ....who went to college.
....... or studied something ....in high school..... with this thing in mind ...like I studied anthropology.
..... I did not become an anthropologist.
.... I didn't end up digging .....for bones or anything.
..... Bow studied architecture .....but he didn't go on to study architecture.
....But the thing is we found.... work in different things,
....the thing is you..... the thing you study..... is not always.... the thing you end up doing.

Daisy:

Sure.

Luke:

But it might ....if you have variety of things ....you're learning, ....and you're learning ....how to manage your time.... and learning .....about different interests..... you have and stuff.
...... and if you'd just to be .......versatile...... then you have a dynamic.... education....
..... and then you sort of go in..... what ever directions..... you're able to take things...... that are offered to you.

Bow:

But you say that ....you don't apply,..... you don't actually apply.... like the skills that ....you learn .....if you don't work ...as like.
....For example..... I don't work as architect.....
..... but I do ....apply the education..... that I received from ....there like I do .....go to other countries.......
...... and notice things ....architecturally.... that .....stimulate ....my intellect .....because I .....had the chance to learn that.
....I think that just because..... I'm not making..... money from ....what I studied.
.... I think ....that's not really.... a big issue.

Daisy:

....No, I don't think it's an issue at all........ And I think that is..... probably the main .......problem...... I have..... in all countries ....with um,..... tertiary education.
..... When you go to college .....um... when I remember .....I took a class ....in college ....and the teacher asked ......why are you ....in this class.
.....And every student answered .....well,.... I'm taking,.... you know, ....taking business,
.....this is like...... part of the .......general requirements..... so I have to take it.
.... Yeah, .....I wanna six figure salary .....or whatever.
..... and my answer was well.... I took it to get an education
.....and there was another girl .....who had similar answer.
..... And he said .....the only two ....who answered correctly .....were me and the other girl.
.... The reason being..... is that ....education .....was never really .....put in place.... for you to get ......six figure salary.
..... It was there to,.... you know,.... to improve..... or stimulate..... the higher faculties .............to make you an....... intelligent person...... to have an understanding ......of life .....and give you life...... experience, too.

Bow:

....Exactly,...... the point.... that I like..... to... an example .....that I'd like to..... make is at..... MIT
..... they don't have the .....grading system......... like A, B, C .......or D or F,
..... it's P or F,...... it's pass or fail.
..... Which I think is good .....because it's getting you..... to it's gearing you toward real life,
......because in real life ....that's what it is.
.......It's either you succeed ....or you don't.
...... And it's not you..... kinda do ....you get a C..... you pass to the next level..,
..... so I think actually..... I think all ......higher learning institutions ......should have that kind of .....grading system.

Luke:

... But if there,..... if they're ......only there to get you real job.
.... I mean ....if we're saying .....that the reason to,.... to educate, ....educate yourself..,
..... is to... is to .....get a broader ......understanding of .....the world around you .....and to teach you to be a better person.
.... Then I think ....you should just learn like..... you're probably working through school... anyway.
.....You're gonna learn .....that if you don't cut ......the mustard .....you're not going have the job.
..... But the shcooling thing.... I think,.... Yah,..... ok you weren't... so strong in this..,
.....you were strong in this..,..... you apply .......yourself it's gotta be motivated more by..... a personal conviction to learn that stuff.
......If you want to go just to get a job..... then you should probably just get a skill ......or something get a trade ....or something like that.

Daisy:

Vocational school.

Luke:

...Yeh...exactly. .....But there's nothing wrong... with that either...... I mean... it's useless. ....Yeh...

Bow:

....MIT is a high level vocational school.

Vivian:

....Sure I agree,..... that kind of education..... almost requires something like that
..... but then when you're..... just about to enter... um..
.......college.... and you're ....a junior or ....senior.... don't you think.... that it kind of requires....
...... and I would want this ....for my own children,.... yeah,... a grade, why?
......because you want the competition..... you want the competitiveness..... you want your child...... to feel ....like I want to beat .....this person next to me.
..... I want to do better .....I wanna get one on top of him.

Vivian:

I don't know...you know...

Luke:

Maybe in business school.

Daisy:

.....Sure I mean two different minds.... about that..... I think that natural.,,
.....a little bit .....of natural competitiveness .....is good ....but..... in high school ...
.....um...I was the youngest .....of six children.... and my older..,
......older .....5 brothers .....and sisters were...... incredibly successful.
.....So even though my..... parents weren't pushing me..... I felt constantly
..... that I had to achieve .....and I became ....like not,..... I'm not even just talking about ....grades here
.....but an overachiever.... I had to do everything.
.....I had to ....enter every competition.
.....I had to ....come out and .....I had to be .....the school president .....because my sister..... was and my ...brother was.
..... And I felt this competition... all the time .....and eventually.... it worked against me.
....I was in Australia .....we call it ....."the tall puppy syndrome"
.....and if you get...... too big they'll ....cut you down.
..... And...um...I lost a lot of friends .....because people ....thought that I..... was a big head and
..... because I .....always.... had to enter everything.... and I was doing it
...... for some other reason..... to satisfy ...my family
...... but in those situations.... I think.... competition.... can work against you.

Vivian:

....But many kids.......students..... want to do it ...themselves ....because they want to.
....They want...I did it .....because I wanted to, .....I wanted to be on .....top of my class.

Bow:

But there's the difference.... between competing..... with your... class mates...
..... to see ....if you can ....out do them ....and sort of pushing yourself and.... competing.....
.... with yourself ....and seeing .....if you can push can ....strive to do these things
........ I think that's the big problem .....with the work force these days
..... and with the education system.... is also that...... idea of competition .....instead of cooperation shouldn't be people .....be learning...
..... how to work .....with each other ...in productive ways.... instead of trying to ...outdo each other.
......That's... that's.., unproductive.

Vivian:

But then society has changed..... the educational system .....so that you do have to compete.... with other kids.... Why?
..... Because there's hundred colleges out there..... and they're all ranked.... from one to..... one hundred
.....and sure.... they're all good and.... as long ....as you get an education.
.... Hey good to go, ....and you're always gonna get a job.
..... But the fact of the matter ....is society... um...
......makes this..,.... you know.... unseen ....kind of scale.... where... they say ....what you went to your community college.
..... I don't know.... I'd rather pick this ....dude from MIT or ....Harvard
..... because... he went to a ...you know ....5 star school.
.....So, even though you may be smarter .....and you may have more qualifications,
..... I'd rather..... pick this student ....from bigger named school.

Luke:

....You know where,.... you know .....where actually.... the paradox in.... that is... that especially... in America.
.... People they are striving to ......get like um..... high salaries ...and whatnot and
.....people that get into the better schools.... tend to get higher salaries.
..... But ....what they consider ....to be successful.... is making a lot of money.
.... And people who have..,.... the most millionaires ....in America
....are high school drop outs.... or haven't even entered high school.
.....It was because.... they learned ....probably social skills.... early on.
..... You know... and they had to.... survive ....I guess somehow ...and I mean... they're exceptional kids.

Vivian:

You know the big point is...
.....(Bow: Right. We dropped out from Harvard.)
....you know.... the big point ....that I always like to.. make is.
.... I kind of see.... like two.... it's mainly divided into two different groups..,
.....and it's making both point exactly ....but ...when you look at people... in general.
....There is two different types of people.
....There's.... academically.... smart people.... and then there's people that are.... I guess you would put it
.....(Daisy: common sense).... right, ..."street wise" ....or whatnot ...but these people... they are smart..,
.....they've got ...what it takes.... but they may not further their education... as far as they want to.
.... And then there's .....ones in the middle... that go ahead ...and take it to next level ...and they may achieve most probably.
....But the people that... are book smart ....and academically successful.... may not it get as far as people that ....aren't even educated at all.

Daisy:

Well,.... you know,.... I look it ....I think that generally schools ....and society ...is just too competitive.
.....And parents are ...pushing their kids.... exactly what you were saying... you've got into this top school
....because it's number one ....and you're not gonna have your ...own law practice,
....you're not gonna be made an associate,
.....you're not gonna be.... a neurosurgeon.... if you don't get into this school..,
.... and.... the thing is..... there's an enormous amount of pressure ...on these children.
.... I think that it's too much ....to take.... for most kids at that age ..
.....and the other thing is maybe some of them.... are not that smart ....and they can't take ...the medical degree ...or law degree.
..... (Vivian: they're not cut out for it) ...Yeah,.... we have to realize... there's nothing wrong with .......some guy
.....who did fairly well in school.... but he pushed himself ....to be the best... he could be ...but he ended up being...
..... I don't know.... in the army ...or ended up running... a video shop.
..... But he's doing well ....and he's making a bit of money he's doing ...what he enjoys.
....We put too much thing on this, ...you know, ....you've got to... make this much money,
.....you've got to have.... this status... in society.

Vivian:

.There are people ...that are satisfied ...in the sector ...that they're... in and earning.... the amount..... that they are earning.... and living the life.... that they are.... they are maybe people... that are raised from,
....you know,... filthy rich families... that may be happy just,
....you know, ...working in an art ..studio creating their own,
... you know, ....pieces of art. Whereas someone ...from the streets wants... a high education..... and wants to come out of the best schools
.....so that they can ...you know ...do the best they can.

Bow:

People respond to different ways of learning too
...., some people learn from ....experience thing... from a hands on thing,
..... some people learn ...from visual things, ....some people learn ...from listening to things
...., some people learn ...from reading.

Vivian:

But the little kids' point was father mother.... why can't you accept the fact.....
...... that I am trying my best .....and I'm gonna try to.... (Daisy: And this is my best)
....right, ...and continue trying my best but this is probably,
.... you know,.... it's not saying ....hey you're dumb ..or anything...
....but this is just as far as he goes ....and maybe it's time to look elsewhere or ..
....just be satisfied... with what he is doing.

Daisy:

....This is what I can do for you ....and I think that's the problem ...his parents... and society ...is just putting way ...too much pressure on people.
..... Even my father ...you know.... I my entire high school .....even from elementary school...... I took music classes.... and I want to be a musician.
.. .....And I even had an invitation ....for an audition .....at the Conservatorium of music
.....which is like a once .....in a lifetime of opportunity.
.....It doesn't happen ....to a lot of people ....but my father said
...."No way,.... you're going to university ....you're gonna study economics"
..... and I ended up doing.... that because.... I felt pressured ...by him
.....stayed there ....for a year and a half ....and bombed out completely
....and it took me five years to go.... back to university.... and do what.... I was interested
....in which happened to be... English Literature.
..... But I was pressured into doing that ....and I failed ....because I was not happy.
..... And I think... inevitably ....all of these children.... are going to fail.... or grow up... with incredible complexes ....that their parents... have given them.
.....They're not... going to be healthy.

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Bow:

But you have,.... have a core group of
.... courses ....that you have to take too ( the coures.....)
.....I mean.... you have..... electives a certain number of.... core courses
.....that are mandatory...

Daisy:

Right,.... but in the core groups...
......(to) you have ..(um).....English you don't ... math is not.., (mm)
......you know ..(uh, uh, uh)....a prequisite for .....college
..... unless you got you need it
....... for the course you're gonna study in.... college.
...... But the core groups ......would be .....the sciences,... history
.... and English as compulsory, .....that's the only one ....that is compulsory.
.....But.... in those core groups ......there are several different.... things to study,....
......(um) the sciences ......they can range..... from anything.... from biology.
......I think.... there's natural sciences .......which is just a study of.(oh)
..... basically the environment .....and current events .....and things like that.(mm)
.....But.... I think that .....is good idea, .....and the reason being.
..... because ....all children.(uh)...... and all ...people...... are not designed...... for the three R's.
....... if you're just raising..(uh)... students
......and (I)... I think it definitely .....has things to do.... with economic groups, too.
......Children that grew up in........in privileged families .....have been learning to read .......and write even .....before they got into... kindergarten
..... but some kid from the ghetto ......is already..... ten paces behind...... a privileged child.
......But, he might be ......an extremely ......talented..(uh)... photographer ....or artist. (mm)
.....I think that .....we need to ..(uh)...gear our curriculum in... schools .....around that ....to um,
.....be targeted ...all children ......not one group of children.(mm right)
..... And that way .....everybody has an...... opportunity to succeed.

Vivian:

Well I agree..(um)(I).... I guess it depends upon .......which school that..... you're going to.
...... but ...when I went to school ....in Georgia(uh)
....(um)... it was a very .....restricted curriculum that ...we all had to attend.
.....But then(I,  I) .....I changed to international school ......and it was similar to
....(uh). the system that you're describing now.
...... Whereas .....we had to take everything .(uh).....which is one .....elective um...
.....(um) when I.... went to the... international school
......they had a curriculum .....very much similar to .......what .....
.....you have just described
......You had to take certain, ......you had to take certain.... (uh)classes
......but they had 6-7 different..(to Um)
...... what do you say?
.... Venuses of that....... for example ......science... like you mentioned.
...... you can study natural sciences, or... you can .....study biology
.....and whatnot..... In the other schools .......take each one as
......you went up one ....grade ...but here (mm  right)
........you get to choose .....which one you(um).... want to study .....and you can choose and
....(um)..... study it until you graduate.
.....And the remainder .(mm)....of your classes
  ...similar.(mm)., the same thing...... even history ....(.you could)
.......you could study just (mm)....contemporary or(mm)....... current history or.(mm).... you know.... about...

Daisy:

.Well my major .....was English Literature
...... and obviously..... for English Literature
.....you don't need.... math.
..... And ...I did very ...well in school
.....and but..... if I had have taken math
..... when I graduated ...from school.
..... I wouldn't have got ....into the university..... that I did get into. (mm)
.....And... I.... also.... .(um).....wouldn't have.... got the grades (mm)
.....and that .....one grade .....in my final
........ what is(equi) ... equivalent .....of the SATs ain the states
..... that one grade....... for math would.... have brought me down.... probably
......an average maybe about ....15 marks...

Vivian:

Right..... Eventually it brings down...... your grade point average.(right).
... because it's not ...what you are,
....you know... (  talented in)...talented in... honed on in.

Bow:

Yeh but I think .....in ....other aspects of life.... you need math.(right)
..... People use ....even though (uh)....like people.... in my university
.....were always..... like I hate calculus why the hell..,(sure)
.... why am I taking calculus. .....I'm never gonna use it again.
..... but it turns out..,(they)
..... they've proven ....that people..... use calculus everyday
..... just not in the form.... of in numbers.(mm)... and stuff like that.

Daisy:

But I took it ....for... in eleven years,(haha)
..... you know,..... it was just last year .....that I graduated
..... so it wouldn't .....affect my grade to .....get into university (mm).. I didn't take it.
.... So I already had... eleven years of training in it, (mm)(yeah)
....So ...I think that's.... fair enough.

Luke:

It teaches... I think it teaches.... students to be.... well rounded(mm)
.... because that's the reality ...of the work force.
..... If you're going to..... like if you think of ....the people
....you knew ....who went to college.
....... or.... studied something ....in high school.
.... with this thing in mind ...like I studied anthropology.
..... I did not... become an ....anthropologist.(mm)
....(I didn't end).... I didn't end up digging .....for bones or anything.(mm)
..... Bow studied architecture .....but he didn't ...go on to... study architecture.
....But the thing is we found.... work in different things,
....the thing is you..... the thing you study.
.... is not always.... the thing you end up doing.(sure)

Daisy:

Sure.

Luke:

But....(it) it might ....if you have variety of things
....you're learning, ....and you're learning ....how to manage your time....
....(and) and learning .....about different interests..... you have and stuff.
...... and if you'd just to be .......versatile.(right)..... then you have a dynamic.( dynamic )... education....
..... and then you sort of go in..... what ever ...directions....(mm)
.... you're able to take things...... that are offered to you.

Bow:

But you say that ....you don't apply,..... you don't actually ....apply.
.... like the skills that ....you learn .....if you don't work ...as like.
.....For example..... I don't work as.... architect.....
..... but I do ..(um)..apply the education..... that I received from(  exatly)
....there like I do .....go to other countries.......
...... and notice things ....architecturally.... that (mm)
.....stimulate ....my intellect(mm)
.....because I .....had the chance to learn that.
....I think that just.... because..... I'm not making..... money from ....what I studied.
....(I) I think ....that's not really (uh)... a big issue.

Daisy:

....No,... I don't think... it's an issue at all.
..... And I think that is..... probably the main
......problem...... I have..... in all countries
.....with... um,..... tertiary education.(mm)
..... When you go to college
.....um... when(I)... I remember .....I took a class ....in college
....and the teacher... asked
......why ...are you ...in this class.
.....And every student ...answered .....well,.... I'm taking,
.... you know, ....taking business,
.....this is like...... part of the .(um).
.....general... requirements..... so I have to take it.
.... Yeah, .....I wanna six ....figure salary .....or whatever.
..... and ....my answer was well.... I ..took it... to get an ...education (mm)(mm)
.....and there was another girl .....who had similar answer.
..... And he said .....the only two
.....who answered correctly .....were me and ...the other girl.
.... The reason being..... is that ....education
.....was never really .....put in place
.... for you to get ......six figure salary....(exatly)
..... It was there to,(you)
.... you know,.... to improve..... or stimulate..... the higher faculties
....to make you an.....(uh).. intelligent person...... to have an understanding ......of life(mm)
.....and give you life...... experience, too.

Bow:

....Exactly,...(and uh)... the point.... that I... like..... to... an example
.....that I'd like to..... make is(uh).... at (uh)..... MIT
..... they don't have the .....grading system......... like ....A, B, C ...or D... or F,
..... it's P... or F,...... it's pass or fail( oh I don't know)
..... Which I think is good .....because....(mm)... it's getting you
..... to it's gearing you toward real life,
......because in real life ....that's what it is. (mm)
.......It's either you succeed ....or you don't.(you don't)
...... And... it's not (you)... you kinda do ....you get a C..... you pass to the next level..,
..... so I think actually..... I think all ..(um).
.....higher learning institutions ......should have that kind of(mm) .....grading system.

Luke:

... But if there,..... if they're ......only there to get you real job.
.... I mean .(they)...if we're saying .....that the reason to,(to)....
.... to educate, ....educate yourself..,(hahahaha...)
..... is to... is to .....get a broader ......understanding of .....the world around you
.....and to teach you to be a better person.
.... (then I)..Then I think ....you should just learn ....like.
.... you're probably... working through school... anyway.
.....You're gonna learn .....that.... if you don't cut ......the mustard
.....you're not ...going have ...the job.(haha)
..... But the shcooling thing.... I think,.... Yah,..... ok you weren't... so strong in this..,
.....you were strong in this..,..... you apply .......yourself it's gotta be ...motivated more by
..... a personal conviction ....to learn that stuff.
......If you want to go just... to get a job
..... then you should probably just get a skill ......or something get a trade (right)....or something like that.

Daisy:

Vocational.... school.

Luke:

...Yeh...exactly. (mm).....But there's nothing wrong... with that either.
..... I mean... it's useless. ....Yeh...

Bow:

...(the have to more theng      )
......MIT is a high level vocational school.

Vivian:

....Sure I agree,..... that kind of education..... almost requires... something ...like that
..... but then when you're..... just about to enter... um..
.......college.... and you're ....a junior or ....senior
..... don't you think that.... it kind of... requires....
...... and I would want this ....(I gree)
......for my own children,.... yeah,... a grade, why?
......because..... you want the competition..... you want the competitiveness.
.... you want your child...... to feel ....like.... I want to beat .....this person next to me.
..... I want to do better .....I wanna get ...one on top of him.(mm)

Vivian:

I don't know...you know...(I)

Luke:

Maybe in business school.

Daisy:

.....(yeah)...Sure.... I mean... two different minds.... about
..... that..... I think that....(uh) natural.,
.....a little bit .....of natural competitiveness .....is good
....but...(um).. in high school ...(but)
.....um...I was the youngest .....of six children....
.....and my... older.., ....older ....5.... brothers and ....sisters
.....were...... incredibly successful.
.....So even though my..... parents ...weren't pushing me.....(I) I felt.... constantly
..... that I.... had to achieve
.....and I became ....like not,
..... I'm not even just.... talking about ....grades here
.....but ...an overachiever.... I had to do... everything.
.....I had to ....enter every... competition.
.....I had to ....come out and .....I had to be .....the school president
.....because my sister..... was and.. my......brother was.
..... And I felt ...this competition... all the time
.....and eventually.... it worked against me.
.....I ...was in.... Australia .....we call it ....."the tall puppy syndrome"
.....and if you get...... too big........ they'll ..cut you down.
..... And...um...I.... lost a lot of friends
.....because.... people ....thought that I..... was a big head and
..... because I .....always.... had to ..enter everything
.... and I was doing it...... for some other reason..... to satisfy ...my family
...... but.... in those situations
.... I think.... competition.... can work against you.(haha)

Vivian:

....But ...many kids.......students.
...(um).... want to do it ...themselves
....because they want to. ...They want.
.....I did it .....because... I wanted to, (I)
.....I wanted to be on .....top of my class.

Bow:

But there's ...the difference....
..... between competing..... with your... class mates...
..... to see ....if you can (out)....out do them
.....and sort of pushing yourself and.... competing.....
..... with yourself ....and seeing .....if you can push can (mm)....strive to do these things
..... I think that's the big problem ..(the  uh )...with the work force these days
..... and with the education system.... is also that...... idea of competition(yeah)
.....instead of cooperation ( yeah)... shouldn't be people .....be learning...
..... how to work .....with each other ...in productive ways
.... instead of trying to ...outdo each other. (right)
......That's... that's.., unproductive.

Vivian:

But then society has changed..... the educational system
.....so that ...you do have to compete.... with other kids.... Why?(  of corse)
..... Because.... there's hundred colleges out there..... and they're all ranked.
.... from one to..... one hundred
.....and sure.... they're all good and.... as long as ...you get an education.
.... Hey ....good to go, ....and you're always.... gonna get a job.
..... But... the fact of the matter ..is society... um...
......(um)....makes this..,.... you know.... unseen ....kind of scale... where... they say
.....what you went to ....your community college.
..... I don't know.... I'd rather pick this ....dude from MIT or ....Harvard
..... because... he went to a ...you know ....5 star school. (mm)
.....So, (mm)...even though... you may be... smarter
.....and you may have.... more qualifications,
..... I'd rather..... pick this student ....from bigger
......(uh  bigger) named school.

Luke:

....You know where,.... you know .....where actually.
.... the paradox in.... that is...(is) that especially... in America.
.... People they are striving to ......get like um..... high salaries ...and whatnot and
.....people that.... get into.... the better schools.... tend to get higher salaries.
..... But.... (um)....what they consider ....to be successful
.... is making ...a lot of money.
.... And people... who have..,
.... the most millionaires ....in America
.....are high school... drop outs
.... or haven't even.... entered high school. (right)
.....It was because....(they)... they learned
.....probably social skills..(mm)
..... early on.(mm)
..... You know... and they had to
.... survive ....I guess somehow (mm)
....and I mean... they're exceptional kids.

Vivian:

(uh)...You know the big point is...
.....(Bow: Right. We dropped out from Harvard.)
....(hahaha...)...you know.... the big point ....that I always like to.. make is.
.... I kind of see like... two.... it's mainly divided.... into two different(um)... groups..,
.....and it's making both ...point exactly
....but (um)...when you look at people... in general.
....There is two different... types of people.
....There's.... academically.... smart people
.... and then there's... people that are
.... I guess... you would put it .....(Daisy: common sense)
.... right, ..."street ...wise" ....or whatnot
....but these people... they are smart..,
.....they've ....got ...what it takes
.... but.... they may not.... further their ...education... as far as ...they want to.
.... And then there's .(that)....ones in the middle
... that go ahead ...and take it... to next level
....and they may achieve most probably.
....But... the people that... are book smart ....and
.....(and) academically ....successful
.... may not it ....get as far as people that ....aren't even educated at all.(mm)

Daisy:

Well,.... you know,.... I ...look it ....I think that... generally schools ....and society
...is just... too competitive.
.....And... parents are ...pushing their kids.
... (because)... exactly.... what you were saying
.... you've got into (mm) ...this top school
....because it's number one ....and you're not gonna have your ...own law practice,
....(um)you're not ....gonna be made an associate,
.....you're not gonna be..(um).. a neurosurgeon.... if you don't get into this school..,
.... and.... the thing is...(is).. there's ...an enormous amount of.... pressure ...on these children.
.... I think that it's too much ....to take.... for most kids.. at that age ..(mm)
.....and the other thing is
....(is) maybe some of them(right).... are not that smart
....and they can't take ....(right)....the medical degree ...or law degree.
..... (Vivian: they're not cut out for it)
....Yeah,(and).... we have to realize
..... there's nothing wrong with .......some guy
.....who... did fairly.... well in school.... but he pushed himself
......to be the best... he could be(mm)
......but he ended up.... being...
..... I don't know.... in the army ...or ended up running... a video shop.
..... But he's doing well ....and he's (mm)
.....(he's)..making a bit of money he's doing ...what he enjoys. (mm)
....We put too much thing on this,
...you know, ....you've got to... make this much money,
.....you've got to have.(mm)... this status... in society.

Vivian:

There are people ...that are satisfied ...in the sector
...that ...they're in ...and earning
.... the amount..... that they are earning.
... and living.... the life.... that they are.
... they are maybe people... that are raised.... from,
....you know,... filthy rich families
... that may be happy just,
....you know, ...working in an art ..studio
.... creating their.... own,
.... you know, .(were).....pieces of art
.... Whereas someone ...from the streets wants
....(a high)... a high education
..... and wants to come out of the best schools
.....so that they can ...you know ...do the best they can.

Bow:

People respond to different ways of learning too....(sure)...(haha)
...., some people learn (from).... from ....experience thing(from)... from a hands on thing,
..... some people learn (from)...from ...visual things, (right)
  ....some people learn(from) ...from listening to things
...., some people learn (from)...from reading.

Vivian:

But the little kids' ...point was father mother.... why can't you accept the fact.....
...... that I am trying my best .....and I'm gonna try to
.... (Daisy: And this is my best)
....right, ...and continue ....trying my best ....but.. this is probably,
.... you know,.(it's)... it's not saying ....hey you're dumb ..or anything...(mm)
....but this is just as far as he goes
....and ...maybe it's... time to look elsewhere... or ..
....just be satisfied....(right). with what he is doing.

Daisy:

....This is what I can do for you
....and I think that's the problem  (his)  (mm)
....his parents... and society ...is just putting
....way ...too much pressure on people.
....Even my father ...you know.... I... my entire high school
.....even from elementary school.
.... I took... music classes.... and I ...want to be a ...musician.
.....And I even had... an invitation ....for an audition
.....at ...the.... Conservatoriu m of... music
.....which is like a once .....in a lifetime of opportunity.
.....It doesn't happen ....to a lot of people
....but my father said
...."No way,.... you're going to university
....you're gonna study economics"
..... and ..I ended up.... doing that ....because.... I felt pressured ...by him
.....stayed there ....for a year... and a half ....and bombed out... completely
....and it... took me ...five years to go.... back to university
.... and do what(I).... I... was interested
.....in which happened to be... English Literature.
.....But... I was pressured into... doing that ....and I ...failed
......because... I was not happy.
..... (And)...(uh) And I think... inevitably
....all of these children.... are going to fail.
... or grow up... with ....incredible complexes
....that their parents.(right).. have given them. (why not?)
.....They're not... going to be healthy.

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2..、《听说大突破》3册1.Jobs and EducationA面14分20秒到结束的语音文本

Bow:

But you have,.....(but you).. have a core group of

.... courses ....that you have to take too ( the coures.....).....I mean.... you have..... electives a certain number of.... core courses .....that are mandatory...

Daisy:

Right,.... but in the core groups...



......(to) you have ..(um).....English you don't ... math is not.., (mm)

.....(uh).(uh) (uh)....you know ..(uh)....a prequisite for .....college

..... unless you got you need it....... for the course you're gonna study in.... college.

...... But the core groups ......would be .....the sciences,... history

.... and English as compulsory, .....that's the only one ....that is compulsory.....But....

in those core groups ......there are several different.... things to study,....

......(um) the sciences ......they can range..... from anything.... from biology.......I think.... there's natural sciences .......which is just a study of.(oh)


..... basically the environment .....and current events .....and things like that.(mm)

.....But.... I think that

.....is good idea, .....and the reason being.

..... because

....all children.(uh)...... and all ...people

...... are not designed...... for the three R's........ if you're just raising..(uh)... students

......and (I)... I think it definitely .....has things to do.... with economic groups, too.

......(uh) Children that grew up in

........in privileged families .....have been learning to read .......and write even....before they got into... kindergarten

..... but some kid from the ghetto

......is already..... ten paces behind...... a privileged child.

......But, he might be ......an extremely ......talented.

....(uh)... photographer ....or artist. (mm)....I think that .....we need to ..(uh)...gear our curriculum in... schools
.....around that ....to um,

.....be targeted ...all children ......not one group of children.(  right.... And that way .....everybody has an...... opportunity to succeed.


Vivian:

Well I agree..(um)(I).... I guess it depends upon .......which school that.....you're going to....... but

...when I ....went to school ....in Georgia(uh)

....(um).

.. it was a very

.....restricted curriculum that ...we all had to attend.

.....But then(I) .....I changed to international school

......and it was similar to....(uh). the system that you're describing now.

...... Whereas .....we had to take everything .(uh).....which is one .....elective um...

.....(um)... when I.... went to the... international school

......they had a curriculum

.....very much similar to .......what .........you have just described

......You had to take certain,

......you had to take certain.... (uh) classes

......but they had 6-7 different..(to um)

...... what do you say?.... Venuses of that

....... for example ......science... like you mentioned.(mm)... you can study natural sciences, or... you can .....study biology

.....and whatnot..... In the other schools .......take each one as ....you went up one ....grade ...but here (right,  right)......you get to choose .....which one you(um).... want to study .....and you can choose and...(um)..... study it until you graduate.

.....And the remainder .(mm)....of your classes

...similar.(mm)., the same thing...... even history ....(.you could)

.......you could ...study just (mm)...contemporary or(mm).

...... current history or.(mm).... you know.... about...

Daisy:

(yeah)  Well my major .....was English Literature..... and obviously..... for English Literature ....you don't need.... math.

..... And ...I did very ...well in... school

.....and but..... if I had have taken math

..... when I graduated ...from school.

..... I wouldn't have got ....into the university..... that I did get into. (mm)

.....And... I.... also.... .(um).....wouldn't have.... got the grades (mm)

.....and that .....one grade .....in my final

........ what is(equi) ... equivalent .....of the SATs ain.... the states..... that one grade....... for math would.... have brought me down.... probably

......an average maybe about ....15 marks...

Vivian:

Right..... Eventually it brings down...... your grade point average.(right)... because it's not ...what you are,

....you know... (  talented in)...talented in... honed on in.

Bow:

Yeh but I think .....in ....other aspects of life.... you need math.  (right)

..... People use ....even though (uh)....like people..(um)

.. in my university.....were always..... like

I hate calculus why the hell..,(sure).. why am I taking calculus. .....I'm never gonna use it again.(sure)

..... but it turns out..,(they).... they've proven ....that people

..... use calculus everyday

..... just not in the form.... of in numbers.(mm).. and stuff like that.

Daisy:

But I took it ....for... in eleven years,(haha)

..... you know,..... it was just last year .....that I graduated.... so it wouldn't .....affect my grade to .....get into university (mm).. I didn't take it.

.... So I already had... eleven years of training in it, (mm)(yeah)

....So ...I think that's.... fair enough.

Luke:

It teaches... I think it teaches

.... students to be.... well rounded(mm)... because that's the reality ...of the work force..... If you're going to..... like if you think of ....the people...you knew ....who went to college....... or.... studied something ....in high school.... with this thing in mind ...like I studied anthropology..... I did not... become an ....anthropologist.(mm)

....(I didn't end).... I didn't end up digging .....for bones or anything.(mm)

..... Bow studied architecture .....but he didn't

...go on to... study architecture. (mm)...But the thing is we found.... work in different things,

....the thing is...... you

..... the thing you study.

.... is not always.... the thing you end up doing.(sure)

Daisy:

Sure.

Luke:

But....(it) it might ....if you have variety of things....you're learning, ....and you're learning ....how to manage your time....

....(and) and learning .....about different interests..... you have and stuff.

...... and if you'd just to be..(um).

....versatile.(right).

.... then you have a dynamic.( dynamic )

... education........ and then you sort of go in..... what ever ...directions....(mm)... you're able to take things...... that are offered to you.

Bow:

But you say that ....you don't apply,..... you don't actually ....apply..... like the skills that ....you learn .....if you don't work ...as like. .....For example..... I don't work as.... architect.....

..... but I do ..(um)..apply the education..... that I received from(  exatly)...there like I do

.....go to other countries............ and notice things ....architecturally.... that (mm)

.....stimulate .

...my intellect(mm)

.....because I .....had the chance to learn that. ...I think that just.... because

..... I'm not making..... money from ....what I studied....(I) I think ....that's not really (uh)... a big issue.

Daisy:

....No,... I don't think... it's an issue... at all..... And I think that is..... probably the main


......problem...... I have..... in all countries

.....with... um,..... tertiary education.(mm).... When you go to college

.....um... when(I)... I remember .....I took a class ....in college ....and the teacher... asked

......why ...are you ...in this class.

.....And every student ...answered

.....well,.... I'm taking,.... you know, ....taking business, ....this is like...... part of the .(um).

.....general... requirements..... so I have to take it.

.... Yeah, .....I wanna six ....figure salary .....or whatever.

..... and

....my answer was well

.... I ..took it... to get an ...education (mm)(mm)

.....and there was another girl .....who had similar answer...... And he said .....the only two .....who answered correctly .....were me and ...the other girl.

.... The reason being..... is that ....education

.....was never really .....put in place... for you to get ......six figure salary....(exatly).... It was there to,(you).... you know,.... to improve..(uh)... or stimulate..... the higher faculties...to make you an.

....(uh).. intelligent person...... to have an understanding ......of life (and)(mm)

.....and ...give you life...... experience, too.

Bow:

....Exactly,...(and uh)

... the point.... that I... like..... to... an example ....that I'd like to..... make is(uh)

.... at (uh)

..... MIT

..... they don't have the .....grading system......... like ....A, B, C ...or D... or F,

..... it's P... or F,.

..... it's pass or fail( oh ,I don't know)

..... Which I think is good .....because....(mm)... it's getting you.... to it's gearing you.... toward real life, .....because in real life

....that's what it is. (mm)......It's either you succeed ....or you don't....(  you don't)

...... And... it's not (you)... you kinda do

....you get a C..... you pass to the next level..,(hahaha....)

..... so I think actually

..... I think all ..(um).

.....higher learning institutions ......should have that kind of(mm)

.....grading system.(mm)

Luke:

... But if there,..... if they're ......only there to get you real job..... I mean

....(they)...if we're saying .....that the reason to,(to)........ to educate (yourself), ....educate yourself..,(hahahaha...)

..... is to... is to .....get a broader ......understanding of .....the world around you.....and to teach you to be a better person..... (and) (then I)..Then I think

....you should just learn ....like..... you're probably... working through school... anyway. .....You're gonna learn .....that.... if you don't cut ......the mustard....you're not ...going have ...the job.(haha)

..... But the shcooling thing.... I think,.... Yah,..... ok you weren't... so strong in this.., .....you were...(you were)  strong in this..,..... you apply.......yourself it's gotta be ...motivated more by

..... a personal conviction ....to learn that stuff. .....If you want to go just... to get a job

..... then you should probably just get a skill ......or something get a trade (right)....or something like that.

Daisy:

Vocational.... school.

Luke:

...Yeh...exactly. (mm).....But there's nothing wrong... with that either.
..... I mean

... it's useless. ....Yeh...

Bow:

...(the have to more theng  .....    )......MIT is a high level vocational school.

Vivian:

....Sure I agree,..... that kind of education

..... almost requires... something ...like that
..... but then

....when you're..... just about to enter... um..
.......college

.... and you're ....a junior or ....senior
..... don't you think that..

.. it kind of... requires....

...... and I would want this ....(a grade).....for my own children,.... yeah,... a grade, why?

......because..... you want the competition..... you want

the competitiveness.... you want your child...... to feel ....like.

... I want to beat .....this person next to me.

..... I want to do better .....I wanna get ...one on top of him.(mm)

Vivian:

I don't know...you know...(I)

Luke:

Maybe in business school.

Daisy:

.....(yeah)...Sure.... I mean... two different minds.... about.... that..... I think that

....(uh) natural.,

.....a little bit .....of natural competitiveness

.....is good

....but

...(um).. in high school ...

.....um...I was the youngest .....of six children.... ....and my... older.

., ....older ....5.

... brothers and ....sisters .....were...... incredibly successful.

.....So even though my..... parents ...weren't pushing me.....(I) ....I felt....

constantly

..... that I.... had to achieve

.....and... I became ....like not,.... I'm not even just.... talking about ....grades here
.....but

...an overachiever.... I had to do... everything. ....I had to

....enter every... competition. ....I had to ....come out and

.....I had to be .....the school president.....because ....my sister..... was and my......brother was.

..... And I felt ...this competition... all the time

.....and eventually.... it worked against me.

.....I ...was in.... Australia .....we call it ....."the tall puppy syndrome" .....and if you get...... too big.

....... they'll ..cut you down.

..... And...um...I

.... lost a lot of friends .....because.... people ....thought that I..... was a big head and..... because I .....always.... had to ..enter everything

.... and I was doing it...... for some other reason..... to satisfy ...my family

...... but.... in those situations... I think.... competition.... can work against you.(haha)


Vivian:

....But ...many kids.......students.

...(um).... want to do it

...themselves

....because they want to. ...They want.

.....I did it .....because... I wanted to, (I)

.....I wanted to be on .....top of my class.


Bow:

But there's ...the difference........ between competing..... with your... class mates........ to see ....if you can (out)...(and).out do them

.....and sort of pushing yourself and.... competing......... with yourself ....and seeing .....if you can push can (mm)....strive to do these things

..... I think that's the big problem ..(the  uh )...with the work ...force these days.... and with the education system.... is also that

...... idea of competition.....instead of cooperation ( yeah)... shouldn't be people .....be learning....... how to work .....with each other ...in productive ways... instead of trying to ...outdo each other. (right).....That's... that's......(tht"s that's)....., unproductive.

Vivian:

But then society has changed..... the educational system ....so that ...you do have to compete.... with other kids.... Why?(  of corse)

..... Because.... there's hundred colleges out there..... and they're all ranked.... from one to..... one hundred

.....and sure.... they're all good and.... as long as ...you get an education.

.... Hey ....good to go,

....and you're always.... gonna get a job..... But.

.. the fact of the matter ..is society... um...

......(um).(um)...makes this.

.,.... you know.... unseen ....kind of scale... where... they say ....what you went to ....your community college.

..... I don't know..I'd rather pick this ....dude from MIT or ....Harvard.... because... he went to a ...you know

....5 star school. (mm),  (mm)....So,(mm)

.....even though... you may be... smarter ...and you may have.... more qualifications,..... I'd rather..... pick

this student ....from bigger ......(uh  bigger) named school.

Luke:

....You know where,.... you know .....where actually..... the paradox in.... that is..(uh)

....(is) that especially... in America.

.... People they are striving to ......get like um..... high salaries ...and whatnot and .....people that.... get into.... the better schools.... tend to get higher salaries.

..... But.... (um)

....what they consider ....to be successful.... is making ...a lot of money.

.... And people... who have..,

.... the most millionaires ....in America .....are high school... drop outs... or haven't even.... entered high school. (right).....It was because....(they)... they learned (uh).....probably social skills..(mm)

..... early on.(mm)

..... You know... and they had to.... survive ....I guess somehow (mm)...and I mean

... they're exceptional kids.

Vivian:

(uh)..(you know)....You know the big point is... .....(Bow: Right. We dropped out from Harvard.)

....(hahaha...)...you know.... the big point ....that I always like to.. make is.

.... I kind of see like.

.... two.... it's mainly divided.... into two different(um)... groups..,
....(and  it's)....and it's making both

...point exactly
....but (um)...when you look at people... in general.
....There is two different... types of people.

....There's.... academically.... smart people

.... and then there's... people that are
.... I guess... you would put it .....(Daisy: common sense)
.... right, ..."street ...wise" ....or whatnot

....but these people... they are smart..,.....they've

....got ...what it takes.... but.

... they may not.... further their ...education... as far as ...they want to.

.... And then there's .(that)....ones in the middle
... that go ahead ...and take it... to next level

....and they may achieve most probably.

....But... the people that... are book smart ....and

.....(and) academically ....successful

.... may not it ....get as far as people that ....aren't even educated at all.(mm)

Daisy:

Well,.... you know,.... I ...look it ....I think that... generally schools ....and society ...is just... too competitive.

.....And... parents are ...pushing their kids.... (because).

......(e). exactly.... what you were saying.... you've got into (mm) ...this top school ...because it's number one

....and you're not gonna have your ...own law practice, ...(um)you're not...gonna be made an associate, ....you're not gonna be..

...(um).. a neurosurgeon.... if you don't ...get into this school..,

.... and.... the thing is...(is).

.... there's ...(and an)...an enormous amount of.... pressure ...on these children.

.... I think that it's too much ....to take.... for most kids.. at that age ..(mm)

.....and the other thing is....(is) maybe some of them(right)...(are not that)..... are not that smart ....and they can't take

....(right)....the medical degree ...or law degree.

..... (Vivian: they're not cut out for it)
....Yeah,(and).... we have to realize
..... there's nothing wrong with .......some guy

.....who... did fairly.... well in school.... but he pushed himself ......to be the best... he could be(mm).....but he ended up.... being...

..... I don't know.... in the army ...or ended up running... a video shop.
..... But he's doing well ....and he's (mm)....(he's)..making a bit of money he's doing ...what he enjoys. (mm)

....We put too much.... (much)thing on this, ..you know, ....you've got to... make this much money, .....you've got to have.(mm)... this status... in society.

Vivian:

There are people ...that are satisfied ...in the sector ...that ...they're in

...and earning

.... the amount..... that they are earning.

... and living.... the life.... that they are.... they are maybe people... that are raised.... from,

....you know,... filthy rich families

... that may be happy just,

....you know,

...working in an art ..studio.... creating their.... own,

.... you know, .(were).....pieces of art

.... Whereas someone ...from the streets wants
....(a high)... a high education.... and wants to come.... out of the ...best schools
.....so that they can ...you know ...do the best they can.



Bow:

People respond to different ways of learning too....(sure)...(haha)...., some people learn (from).... from ....experience thing(from)... from a hands on thing,
..... some people learn (from)

...from ...visual things, (right) ....some people learn(from) ...from listening to things..., some people learn (from)...from reading.


Vivian:

But the little kids' ...point was

father mother.... why can't you accept the fact...... that I am trying my best....and I'm gonna try to.... (Daisy: And this is my best) ...right, ...and continue ....trying my best

....but.. this is probably,.... you know,.(and I'm) (it's)... it's not saying ....hey you're dumb ..or anything...(mm)....but this is just as far as he goes

....and ...maybe it's... time to look elsewhere... or ..

....just be satisfied....(right). with what he is doing.

Daisy:

....This is what I can do for you....and I think that's the problem  (his)  (mm)...his parents... and society ...is just putting

....way ...too much pressure on people.

....Even my father ...you know.... I

... my entire high school....even from elementary school.

.... I took... music classes.... and I ...want to be a ...musician.

.....And I even had... an invitation

....for an audition .....at

...the.... Conservatoriu m of... music

.....which is like a once .....in a lifetime of opportunity. ....It doesn't happen ....to a lot of people

....but my father said ..."No way,.... you're going to university....you're gonna study economics"

..... and ..I ended up.... doing that....because.... I felt pressured ...by him


.....stayed there ....for a year... and a half ....and bombed out... completely

....and it... took me ...five years to go.... back to university... and do what(I).... I... was interested

.....in which happened to be... English Literature.

.....But... I was pressured into... doing that ....and I ...failed .....because... I was not happy.

..... (And)...(uh) And I think... inevitably ....all of these children.... are going to fail.
... or grow up... with ....incredible complexes...that their parents.(right).. have given them. (why not?)

...They're not... going to be healthy.

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Vivian:

Why not put the same standards on ....children as we do on ourselves... you know everyone always says ...."Hey, so, are you happy?"
..... No I got this terrible job, ....I'm stressed out,.... I never get any sleep I don't enjoy life... etcetera,... etcetera.
..... But then doesn't that apply for children as well,.... I mean.... if you're not satisfied ....with your job
.....but you're making lots of money .....but you're still not happy right.
..... And people always say hey ...you got to do something t....hat you like to do... that way you Can do it ....for the rest of your life.
....It's the same with children ....hey ...education is long term as well,
....you know, ....you're going for ....what preschool all the way to,....
.... you know, ....after that .......even more.... for some people.... they got eight more or... twelve more years even after high school...

Bow:

Sure hopefully it's a lifelong, ....lifelong thing...education.

Vivian:

No, you know ...I have a godfather, ...excuse me, ...godfather... who still... educates himself.
.... He is...in his sixties now early sixties.... he's the most intelligent person... that I have ever met.
....He educates himself ....on a daily basis.... you know... he still goes to school..... he still reads books
.....and newspapers.... and he's always trying to ge...t a higher education.... always trying to,
..... you know, ....kind of pick at my brain..... even ...with stimulating conversations.

Luke:

I think the thing is people .....the thing about jobs that's so weird about ....back home is that ......people define themselves..... so much ....by their jobs not.... by who they are..,
..... that's why you have these people ...who were like..... well I happen to work .....for this company or whatever ....and it's like oh...... what's your position
..... and a big drawing point ...for a lot of people if they are trying to get someone... hire someone for a job.., highly qualified person it's the title th....at they're giving.... you will be the executive co...junior executive in charge of marketing...
.... it's a long title that's ridiculous. ....It's just a name... but it gives the people the feeling of status and it's .....like this kind of pay off for everything you've done... and everything a..nd it's just it's bizarre.
.....I think it's like.., ....the first question ....you get asked ....back home is... so what do you do
..... and that's basically it ...and people can sort of decide based on that ...if you're worth talking to.

Daisy:

Exactly, ...yeah,.... that really annoys me.... I have a problem ..with that.

Bow:

I think it's actually ....more here ...in Asia ....the status thing where..... once you enter certain status you can't leave it.
.... I mean..,..... in the States... you can move ....between titles.... here once you are..... stamped with a title.... and status that's pretty much it ....for you and you really can't move into other circles.
....For example ....I have a ...friend ...who was.... he studied architecture.... and art at the same time and..... he came to Korea ....and he teaches architecture..... and he taught architecture... through painting.
.....And it was a very interesting.... way to visualize architecture.... in a two dimensional medium.
.... And they ...didn't accept him here ....and they didn't accept him as...
.... he was.., he had to be either one ...or the other he had to be either an artist ......or an architect he couldn't be both.
.... And I think that's kind of that ....limits a lot of people once .....they finish their higher education and move ...into certain jobs.

Luke:

...I think that's a Korean thing, too...... I think there isn't less competition... within companies.
....There's sort of an understanding ....once you work ....at this company ...you're part of the family,
....I work for this company or ....for this company ....and everybody knows their place ....
.....and it sort of there is more of a team .....a bit of co-operative spirit.
....There's not as much room.... for the advancement.... and there's not as much .....drive to really to really work hard.

Vivian:

Well the reason being.... is because.... eventually you're gonna get up there...... but you always have to start.... from the bottom
..... and even if you come ....from great college or... university ....you start from a certain position ....
.....that they have a name for. .....And then after two years..... you without exception...... unless you really were ....bad apple .....you go to the next level and....
.... so eventually after twenty years ....you gonna hit that... top you know.., ...to see.

Luke:

How does it work? ....Everybody seems to be doing that ....but their salary ...is like .....maybe on average one million ....and six hundred ...or seven hundred a month.
....But they say the living .....standard now people need like .....3 million at least ....with a kid and.... a wife how do they?

Daisy:

.Bonuses... they get bonuses.

Luke:

Still it's not gonna make... it 3 million a month.

Vivian:


No, no, no, no... the bonus is ....actually a lot of the times ....more than ...your salary ......that's what it is you get the..... bonuses the big bonus every couple of months ....
.....or how many times a year that.... are actually many times more than the..
..... And it depends on ....what projects you may be doing ....you get another promotion then.

Luke:

But then and like America ....the key to getting the bonuses ....or stuff ...is not to like....... get out there shake things up....
..... and see what you want to do better ...than everyone else.
.... It's make way ...don't make waves ....just be quiet be patient ...and things will pay off for you.

Vivian:

How about going back to things..... that we are talking ....with Korean society versus the American... work force?
....What do you think about this? ....I notice that ....in Korea ....many people go to university .....
....and pick a subject..... that they're going to study ...a major ...or whatever.
.... For example ....I know people who.... choose.... I'm... I majored in ....architecture... for example
....and so what do you do now ....what company do you work at now
....obviously expecting him to say.... I work in such and such.... architectural company .....or whatever
....but Iow and behold he says ....I work in English education ....or, ...you know,....... something almost the opposite of.... what they majored in.
... I don't understand.... how that is possible.... but here it is.

Bow:

I'll take that on.

Vivian:

Ok.

Bow:

I think actually that..... is what is happening.... with ....so called ...x-generation.... in America
....and I read this article about this kid.... he had graduated high school... with like uh...
.... history major... or something. ....
And he was sitting in a hot tub.... and his apartment was,...
.... you know, ....like a thousand dollars a month apartment... or whatever.
.....And he was complaining ...that he couldn't find.......he couldn't find a job ..in his major.
....And the thing is ....why they call him the x-generation.... is another thing all together
.... the x-generation.... they complain about... things like that ...so they end up working, ...at you know
.....coffee shops ...or whatever ....they can because ...but they are not trying as hard as.... their parents
.....who were the baby boomers .....who did most of them ....if they studied architecture.. or history.
..... They went into those kind of jobs ....for the reason that they wanted their kids.... to have better life.

Vivian:

....So your point is.... the reason ....why people these days.... are running off to other fields
.....is because.... they don't want to... try on their own?

Bow:

.... Because they don't have the same reasons as their parents did or those baby boomers kids before you know...and uh yeh...I think it's all over the world these days it's just like, I think kids are becoming...

Daisy: Lazy?

Bow: Yeh... they're not like I think.... everyone has a gift.., ....they're not like a lot of people......yeh...they are not even trying.
.... They just like gave up on society............. they gave up themselves....... and this is what everybody else ....is doing..... so that's what I'm gonna do
.......um...in Korea I know..... that people ....will choose majors.... because other people....... are doing it.
.... It's popular that's .....not necessarily ....a bad thing.... to not work ...in your major.
....It's just like oh you have education on this.
..... l knew a guy whose major was French...... so I was like ..."Do you speak French?"..... "No," "What do you do?"
...., "I work for, you know, ...a company." ....OK. Great.

Vivian:

Because.... in the American society.......it's either one ....or two things first ok this job ....is very popular it's going to be...
...when I was about to graduate all the teachers were pushing us everyone....
.... if you haven't decided you should seriously consider computers... and computer science,
.... computer programming everyone.... you know.., the salaries gonna be up ....and be one hundred plus....
.... and you know .....and that's ...what they're encouraging... or if you have a talent..
.... I had one of my best friends ...was a genius and,
....you know, ...artistically another one played, ....
....you know, t....he sax like you know... you've never heard.
....And so if you had a specific talent they say .....go toward that.,
....you know, ....go to Julliard or whatever.... or they try to tell you these are gonna be the fields that
....are going to be.... there's gonna be lots of jobs available or....
..... the salaries are going be really big... in four years when you graduate.

Bow:

I give you more specific detail ....about of my own decision ....when I was going to college.. or applying for colleges.
..... I like drawing and ....I like designing things ....so I just thought and Luke had a valid point about the status thing... in America
...and when.... you're in high school.... you look at all those factors.... and architects sounds pretty good,
....you know, ...it's a status position.... and I do like doing the stuff then ..once I started getting into it..
.....um...I really ....like the design ....classes and things like that.... the other stuff I didn't really get into
.....and urn... (Luke: You like the creative aspects).... I like the creative aspects .........but I learned that ....it's not just that in architecture ....you can't just be the designer you got to be..... the business man and ....you gotta be a mathematician.... you gotta be an engineer you gotta be all these things.
..... I didn't wanna do any of that even though like.... I put myself into this position.... that well I'm just go ahead and do it.
.... So I got jobs in architecture.... and some of them I liked.... but then some of them I just realized .....there's gotta be another.... way to fulfill ....I mean I can still use my education ....just not as what people think an architect is.
.... I don't want to be a number in company....... and I don't wanna be drawing other peoples' designs... for the rest of my life.

Daisy:

You're looking for the personal satisfaction.

Bow:

Yeah. And I think that's ....why I am in that situation.... or I didn't take a job.. in my major.

Daisy:

So you slowly strayed.... from what you thought would be...

Luke:

Not necessarily...yeh.......I mean in ....what society thinks ....that you are supposed to ....do you have to be... the architect.
...He is an architect. ....I mean I still consider myself ....an architect ......even though i'm not working in the architectural office.

Vivian:

You know.... I did the same thing...... I mean I wanted to be a musician... and my father made me go to university.....
.. and study economics .....which I just knew..... from the first day... I didn't wanna do.
....Then I eventually went back to university.... and studied English Literature.
... Everybody was asking me like.... why are you studying this,
.....why aren't you doing anything else..... well I had a musical education.... since I was young.... and that's .....what my job is now.... but I chose.... it because one ...I wanted that uh...
......stimulation that you get ...from tertiary education... and I wanted to know things.... I wanted to understand literature.... and to have better understanding of the world.....
.... and society .....and I think that it did definitely ....improve my understanding of those things.
.... But everything is interconnected ....what Bow was saying about...... his architectural degree and the ....way he now applies it... in his life.
....For me my education in English Literature..... has helped me ....write better lyrics ......helped me understand lyrics..... has helped me love reading which is,
.... you know, .....the best education you ever ....gotta get is picking up a book... and reading it.
.....And I think that ....perhaps the x-generation ....what you were talking about..,
....may be they have become.... lazy because I think ....kids are much more privileged ...now than they were 20 years ago
. But maybe it's .....also because these kids ...went to university ...and picked a major like....... history or science or something like that.
... And they know.... they don't wanna be a..... history high school teacher ...or you know ....a scientist in some factory..... punting numbers on a computer.
Maybe they are looking .....for some more personal satisfaction ...in their lives.
...............I think that if that is true .....and they are holding out .....and finding something ....that's gonna make them happy ....that's good.
.... If they're finding something that's gonna pay ...them fix figures... that's not good. .....I hope that people are looking f....or personal satisfaction.

Luke:

I think there's a lot of disenchantment with..,
....with that whole ....for our parents were alright You know you getta a job
... you getta a stable life .....that's how they that's ....how they were raised that's... what they knew for people...
.... there is a bit of a line.... between people our age...... There's the get out there...... and go getters that are always
.... so chipper and.... just wanna they are always motivated....., they are always happy....... and they just wanna get to the top
....everyday is sunny day.... Yeh.......and then they're are other people........... who are just like there is other things..... to life than..... just like climbing the corporate ladder then,...
...... you know, until you forty and then, you know, ...divorcing your wife getting a sports.....

car blowing your brains out or something.

Vivian:

I know another point that.... can be made..... if you look at Korean culture too.
.....You see in general not necessarily ....because of education..... but these families .......with children .....that stay..... with the family way...... beyond the years that we would.... stay with our family.
.... I was.., everyone always says.... you know even 5 years ago,
..... "Why are you ....so young and living alone?"
..... they think I was disgraced .....by my family or for some reason, .....hey you turn eighteen you're out of the house...
.....in early foreign society you're a bum.., .....you're literally a bum.... and eating off your parents you know.

Daisy:

If you still living ....with your parents.

Vivian:

Yeh, you're disgraced from.... the neighborhood.....
they always say ....hey so and ......s...o's kids still ....in the house and.... they are 20-something
.... but the culture's different y....es I understand.
....But I was just thinking another aspect to tha....t is recently in the news .....if you've been listening you ...
....hear about all these..... universities turning in these figures....
.... where they have so many students..... but nobody in the classroom reason being one,
.....because these kids don't .....want to get out there they.... don't know..... what to do..... once they get out there and second,
... well there's a lack of job ....because no one's filling in, ...you know ....the jobs there's not enough jobs...... f..or them.... after they graduate ....so they instead ...
....of staying five ....or six years they take off a year,.... and then come back ...for 6 months......... and then they take off .....another year because..... they try to extend.... that um that eventual, y...ou know gotta get out... in the society thing.

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Vivian:

Why not put the same standards on ....children as we do on ourselves... you know everyone always says ...."Hey, .....so,... are you happy?"
..... No I got this terrible job, ....I'm stressed out,.(mm)... I never get any sleep I don't enjoy life... etcetera,... etcetera.
..... But then .....doesn't  that.... apply for... children as well,.... I mean.... if you're not satisfied ....with your job
.....but you're making ....lots of money .(mm)....but you're still not happy right.(right)
..... And people always say hey
...you got to do something t....hat you like to do... that way you Can do it ....for the rest of your life. (mm)
....It's the same with children ....hey
...education is.... long term as well,
....you know,(haha) ....you're going for ....what preschool all the way to,.(yes,mm)...
.... you know, ....after that .......even more.... for some people.(mm)... they got eight more or... twelve more years ....even after high school...

Bow:

Sure hopefully it's a lifelong, ....lifelong thing...education.(mm)

Vivian:

No, you know ...I have a godfather, ...excuse me,
..(uh).godfather... who still... educates himself.
.... He is...in his sixties..... now early sixties
.... he's the most intelligent person... that I have ever met.
....He educates himself ....on a daily basis(mm).... you know... he still goes to school..... he still reads books
.....and newspapers.... and he's ...always trying to get ...a higher education..(mm).. always trying to,
..... you know, ....kind of pick at my brain(mm)..... even ...with stimulating conversations.

Luke:

I think ... the thing is people .....the thing about jobs that's so weird about ....back home is that ......people define themselves..... so much ....by their jobs not.... by who they are..,(mm)(it's that is yoou are..)
..... that's why you have these people ...who were like..... well I happen to work .....for this company or... whatever ....and it's like oh...... what's your position
..... and ...a big drawing point ...for a lot of people...... if they are... trying to..(thing to)... get someone... hire someone for a job.., highly qualified person
..... it's the title th....at they're giving(right).... you will be the executive
....cojunior executive.... in charge of marketing..(mm).
.... it's a long title that's ridiculous. ....It's just a name... but it gives the people the feeling of status and it's .....like this kind of pay off
.....for everything you've done... and everything ...and.... it's just ...it's bizarre. (mm)
.....I think... it's like.., ....the first question ....you get asked ....back home is... so what do you do
..... and that's...(and that's)... basically it ...and people can sort of decide based on that
...if you're worth talking to.

Daisy:

Exactly, .(mm)..yeah,..(that).. that really annoys me.... I have a problem ..with that.

Bow:

I think it's actually (uh)....more here ...in Asia ....the status ...thing where
..... once you ...enter certain ...status ...you can't leave it.
.... I mean..,...(mm).. in the States... you can.(wow ... ).. move ....between titles.... here.. once you are..... stamped with a title.... and status that's ...pretty much it ....for you and ...you really can't move ....into other circles.(mm)
....For example
....I have a
...friend
...who was.... he studied architecture.... and
....art ....at the same time and...(he).. he came to Korea ....and he teaches architecture
..... and.(uh).. he taught architecture... through painting.
.....And... it was a very interesting.... way to... visualize architecture.... in a ...two dimensional ..(um).medium.
.... And(um)... they didn't accept him here ....and they didn't ...accept him as...
.... he was.., he had to be either one ...or the other
.....he had to be... either an artist ......or an architect... he couldn't be both.
.... And I think.... that's kind of that ....limits a lot of(mm)
.... people once .....they finish their ...higher education and move ...into certain jobs.(mm...)..(mm)

Luke:

...I think that's... a Korean thing, too...... I think there isn't less competition... within companies.
....There's sort of an understanding ....once you work ....at this company ...you're part of the family, (right)
....I work for this company or ....for this company
....and everybody... knows their place ....
.....and...(and) it sort of ...there is more of a team
.....a bit of co-operative spirit.
....There's not as much room.... for the advancement
.... and there's not as much .....drive to really.... to really work hard.(mm)

Vivian:

Well the reason being.... is because.
... eventually you're... gonna get up ...there but
... you always have to start.... from the bottom
..... and even if you come ....from great college or... university
....you start ...from a certain position ....(you...you...)
.....that they have a name for.
.....And then after two years..... you
.... without exception..(auh).... unless you really were (uh)....bad apple
.....you go to the next level and....
.... so ...eventually ...after twenty years ....you gonna hit that
... top you know.., (the see)...to see.(mm    )

Luke:

How does it work? ....Everybody seems to be doing that
....but their salary ...is like (uh).....maybe on average one million ....and six hundred ...or seven hundred a month. (uh)
....But they say the living .....standard now people need like(more.he is ever right)
.....3 million at least ....with a kid and.... a wife ...how do they?

Daisy:

.Bonuses... they get bonuses.

Luke:

Still it's not gonna make... it 3 million a month.

Vivian:


No, no, no, no... the bonus is ....actually ....a lot of the times ....more than ...your salary ......that's what it is you get the
..... bonuses ...the big bonus ...every couple of months ....(mm)
.....or how many times a year that
.... are actually... many times more than the..(right right)
..... And it depends on ....what projects you may be doing ....you get another promotion then.

Luke:

But then ....and like America ....the key to... getting the bonuses ....or stuff
...is not to... like....... get out there... shake things up.(yeah).(right)..
..... and see what you want to do better ...than everyone else.(exacly)
.... It's make way ...don't make waves
....just be quiet be patient .(mm)..and things will... pay off for you.

Vivian:

(well)...How about going back to things..... that we are talking ....with Korean society ...versus the American... work force?
....(uh)What do you think about this? ....I notice that
....in Korea
....many people ...go to university ....(and).....and pick.... a subject(um)
..... that they're going to study ...a major ...or whatever.(um)
.... For example ....I know people who
.... choose.... I'm... I majored in
....architecture... for example
....and ...so what do you... do now ....what company do you ...work at now
....obviously expecting him to say.... I work in such and such.... architectural company .....or whatever
....but... I  low and behold he says ....I work in... English education ....or, ...you know,....... something almost the... opposite of.... what they majored in.
... I don't understand.... how that is possible.
...(I) ...but here... it is.

Bow:

I'll take ...that on.

Vivian:

Ok.

Bow:

(um)I think actually that..... is
.... what is happening.... with (um).
...so called(uh)
...x-generation.(mm)... in America
....and.(uh).. I read this article about this kid.... he had graduated high school... ....with like uh...
.... history major... or something. ....
.....And he was sitting.... in a hot tub
.... and his apartment was,...
.... you know, ....like a
.... thousand dollars... a month apartment... or whatever.
.....And he was complaining ...that he couldn't find
.......he couldn't... find a job ..in his major. (mm)
....And the thing is ....why they call him.... the x-generation.... is(um)
.... another thing all together... the x-generation
.... they... complain about... things like that
...so they(they) end up working, ...at you know
.....coffee shops .(right)..or whatever
....they can because ...but they are not trying as hard as.... their parents
.....who were the baby boomers (ahah)
.....who... did ...most of them ....if they studied architecture.. or history.
..... They went into those ...kind of jobs ....for the reason that... they wanted their kids.... to have better... life.

Vivian:

....So ...your point is(uh)
.... the reason ....why people these days.... are
....running off to other... fields
.....is because.... they don't... want to.try on... their own?

Bow:

.... Because they don't have... the same reasons... as their parents did.... or those baby boomers kids... before(mm) ...you know...and uh ...yeh...I think it's (it's)all over the world these days... it's just like,.... I think kids are becoming...

Daisy:

Lazy?

Bow:

Yeh... they're not like... I think.... everyone has a gift.(mm)., ....they're not like
.....a lot of people.(looking fou).....yeh...they are not even trying.(mm)
.... They just like gave up on society.....they gave up themselves....... and
......this is what everybody else ....is doing..... so(mm)
.... that's what I'm gonna do
.......um...in Korea ...I know..... that people ....will choose majors.... because
......other people....... are doing it..... It's popular(mm)(mm)
..... that's .....not necessarily ....a bad thing.... to not ...work ...in your major.
....It's just like ....oh you have education on this.
..... l knew a guy ....whose... major was French(mm)
...... so... I was like ..."Do you speak French?"..... "No,"(hey hey hey...)
..... "What do you do?"
...., "I work for, ....you know, ...a company."
....OK. Great.(ha..)

Vivian:

Because
...(becuse). in the American society
.......it's either one ....or ....two things ...first
.... ok this job ....is very popular it's going to be...
...when I ...was about to graduate all.... the teachers were
....pushing us ...everyone....
.... if you haven't ....decided you should seriously consider
.... computers... and computer science,
.... (sciece) computer programming ...everyone
.... you know..,(becuse techer)
..... the salaries gonna be up ....and be..... one hundred plus....
.... and you know .....and that's ...what they're encouraging... or
... if you have a talent..
.... I had ...one of my best friends (uh)...was a genius and,
....you know, ...artistically ....another one played, ....
....you know,... the sax like
.... you know... you've never heard.
....And so.... if you had ....a specific talent ....they say .....go toward that.,
....you know, ....go to Julliard ...or whatever
.... or ...they try to tell you ....these are gonna... be the fields that
....are going to be
.... there's gonna be... lots of jobs... available ...or....
..... the salaries ...are going be... really big(mm)... in four years ....when you graduate.

Bow:

I give you.(uh)... more specific detail (mm)
....about of my own decision
....when I was going to.(uh)... college.. or applying... for colleges.
..... I like drawing and ....I like ....designing things
....so I just thought ...and Luke had a valid point about... the status thing... in America
...and (uh)
...when you're in high school.... you look at all those factors.... and architects sounds ...pretty good,
....you know, ...it's a status position
.... and I do like ...doing the stuff then
.....once I started ...getting into it..
.....um...I really... (I) like... the design
....classes and things like that.... the other stuff ...I didn't really get into (mm)
.....and urn... (Luke: You like... the creative aspects)
.... I like the creative aspects ......(but I)...but I learned that
....it's not just that... in architecture ..(you not)....you can't... just be the designer(sure) ....you got to be..(mm)... the business man and ....you gotta be a mathematician.... you gotta be an engineer (mm)....you gotta be all these things.
..... I didn't wanna do any of that... even though like.... I put myself into this position.... that
.... well I'm just ...go ahead and do it.
.... So ....I got jobs in architecture
.... and (uh)...some of them I liked.... but then
...some of them... I just realized
.....there's gotta be
.... another.... way to fulfill
.....I mean... I ...(I) can still use my ...education ....just not as
.... what ....people think an architect is.( right))
.... I don't want to be... a number in company
... and I don't wanna be ...drawing other peoples' designs
... for the rest of my life.

Daisy:

You're looking ....for the personal ...satisfaction.

Bow:

Yeah. ....And I ...think that's ....why
.....(um)...(I) I am in that situation(mm).... or I didn't take a job
.. .. in (mm)..my major.(mm)

Daisy:

So... you slowly strayed.... from what you... thought would be...

Luke:

Not (not)necessarily...yeh.......I mean in
....what society thinks (mm)....that.... you are supposed to ....do you have to be... the architect.
...He is an architect.(right)(haha)
....I mean ...I still consider myself ....an architect ......even though ..i'm not .....working.... in the architectural ...office.

Vivian:

(well)...You know.... I did the same thing...... I mean I wanted to be a musician... and my father... made me go to
...university.....
.. and study economics .....which I just knew..... from the first day... I didn't wanna do.
....Then I eventually.... went back... to university.... and studied English Literature.
... Everybody was asking me... like.... why are you studying ...this,
.....why aren't you doing ...anything else..... well..(I I,). I had ...a musical education.... since I was young
.... and that's .....what my job is ...now.... but
....(I'm) I chose it.... because one ...I wanted... that uh...
......stimulation
..... that ..you get from ...tertiary education
... and I ...wanted to(um)...( to) know things...(so) I wanted to ...understand
.... literature.... and to have better understanding of the world.....
.... and society .....and I think that
.... it did definitely ....improve my understanding of ....those things.
.... But everything.... is ...interconnected ....what... Bow was saying about...... his
....architectural degree
.... and ..the way ....he now... applies it... in his life.
....For me ...(my ,my)....my education..... in English Literature
..... has helped me ....write ...better lyrics (mm)......helped me understand lyrics..... has helped me... love reading... which is,
.... you know, .....the best education you ever ....gotta get is picking up a book... and reading it.
....(um).And..(um)... I think that ....perhaps the x-generation ....what you were talking about..,
....may be they... have become.... lazy because I think ....kids are much more privileged ...now than ...they were 20 years ago
. But maybe it's .....also because... these kids ...went to university ...and picked a major like....... history or... science or something... like that.
... And they know.... they don't ...wanna be a..... history high school teacher ...or... you know(uh) ....a scientist in some factory..... punting numbers on a computer.
Maybe they ....are... looking .....for some more personal satisfaction ...in their lives. (mm)
....I think that if that is true .....and they are holding out .....and finding something ....that's gonna make them happy(haha) ....that's good.
.... If they're finding something ...that's gonna pay ...them fix figures... that's not good.(mm) .....I hope... that people are looking(yeah)... for personal satisfaction.

Luke:

I think there's... a lot of disenchantment with..,
....with that whole .(they)...for our parents were alright You know you getta a job
... you getta a stable life .....that's how they that's ....how they were raised that's... what they knew... for people...
.... there is a... bit of a line.... between people our age...... There's the get out there...... and go getters that are always
.... so chipper and.... just wanna they ...are always motivated....., they are always happy....... and they just wanna... get to the top (think about)
....everyday is sunny day.... Yeh.......and then they're are other people........... who are just like there is other things..... to life than..... just like... climbing the corporate ladder then,(mm)...
...... you know, ...until you forty ..and then, you know, ...divorcing your wife getting a sports.....

car blowing your brains(wow)... out or something.(hahaha....)

Vivian:

I know another point that.... can be made..... if you look at Korean culture too.
.....You see ....in general ...not necessarily ....because of education..... but ...these families .......with children .....that... stay with the... family way...... beyond the years that we would(mm).... stay with our family.
.... I was.., everyone always says.... you know ...even 5 years ago,
..... "Why are you ....so young ...and living alone?"
..... they think... I was disgraced .....by my family or... for some reason, .....hey ....you turn eighteen you're... out of the house...(exacly)
.....in(in)... early foreign society you're a bum.., (yeah).....you're literally a bum.... .....and eating off your parents... you know.

Daisy:

If you still living ....with your parents.

Vivian:

Yeh, you're disgraced... from the neighborhood.....(but)
they always say ....hey so and ......s...o's kids still ....in the house and.... they are 20-something(is  that it is lot........)
.... but the culture's different yes... I understand.
....But I was just thinking another aspect to tha....t is recently in the news .....if you've been listening you ...
....hear about all these..... universities....(um)... turning in these figures....
.... where they have.... so many students..... but nobody ...in the classroom reason being one, (mm)
.....because ...these kids don't .....want to get out there... they.... don't know..... what to do..... once they get out there and second,
... well there's a lack of job ....because no one's... filling in
, ...you know ....the jobs there's... not enough jobs...... for them.... after they graduate ....so they instead ...
....of staying five ....or six years they take off a year,.... and then come back ...for 6 months......... and then they take off .....another year because..(uh)... they try to extend.(um)... that um that eventual, ....you know ...gotta get out.(mm).. in the society thing.

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Luke:

But another thing is you gotta ...realize that ...as time goes on ...you're not just static entity,
.... you know,.... if you structure education ...out over time ...like the way ...I was thinking ...and the person ....I was... when I first started university
....(Vivian: it changes).... it's totally I'm totally ....different person.... and can I qualify ...a person,
.....can I ....qualify the person ....that I was.... seven years ago.... to make all the decisions.... for what I'm going to do... for rest of my life.
....I was, ....I was a bonehead ...back then..... I'm still not much.... better now ....but ....I wouldn't trust the person ....I was then..... to make the decisions ...for who I am today.

Vivian:

Even the person you are .....in one year ....you change dramatically .....and then .....7 years ....think about it.
....(Luke: sure) ....and for me even..... when I first went ....into school again ....it was just like.... I was just living a totally ....different life ....than everyone else.... my age.... that.... school was not for me ....at that time,
.... you know,.... it was everyone was.... experiencing freedom and ....having the time away from their parents.... for the first time ...partying every night.
....I was partying too but .....I also had ....a full time job....
.... (Luke: different responsibility) ....exactly, ....I just had ....different ambitions ......it was so much different from .....my fellow,
....you know, ....classmates so.... it just was not right ....for me... at that time.
....I did want the education but .....it just seemed like that I would be..... pushed backward almost .....being influenced .....by the people.... that were next to me
....and I was just thinking ....I think I wanna come back ...after... I have matured a little more myself,
.... second, .....when I have more clear grasp of ......what I wanna study and......
.... that I do want to study ....and I maybe then ....I would be able to concentrate .....a bit more on my studies.
....I knew then already that .....I wanted to study seriously .....and not be parting every night ....and studying ...in the day time..... I wanted to just ...study and work.

Luke:

Even if you know.... what you want to study ...at a certain time.
...(Vivian: It changes) ....the reality ...and... so does the technology ....and the work force .......and what's available ....out there ...and things ....move so fast these days..... that there's no such things as job .....as security as our parents... knew or whatever.
....So the bottom line is, ...yeh,.... to be taught the most valuable..... thing you can get .....from any school education .....is how to be well rounded
....and how to be able to move.... and adapt ....and how to just have ....a whole bunch of ....different strengths....
.... and.... be able to change at will ....whenever ...something changes.... in the work force..... or in what job's demand.

Vivian:

So virtually.... like anything else in life.... education is..... another ....complicated thing ....because ....you can't ....do one ....and not.... complete the other.
..... I mean ....we were just talking about earlier ....how you want to ....find peace ....with yourself
......so you can..... go after the topic ....or the major ....that you want to study in school.....
..... and what will make you happy.... and yet.... now you have to be well.... rounded still..... to keep your job
....and to keep that .....you know security.... in your job.... and it's not as easy as pie.

Daisy:

....Well, .....I think that the really important.... issue here is that ........your education .....is not just something..... you get from college
.... that it's also .....an ongoing process .....whether that be in your job .....or in your life
..... and I personally ......I hope to call myself a student ......until the day I die.
..... I think .....the more you learn..... the less you realize..... you know
..... and.... it just encourages ......you to continue ......that education.... and to learn more.

Vivian:

And if you are .....a well developed person .....and you get along..... well with the people
..... that around you and stuff.... you know ....as we were talking about earlier .....the ....street wise ....kind of person.
.....You, ....you .....further yourself.... in the work place as well .....because ....if you look at people who
.....aren't so.... you know .....don't get along ....so well with people around them....... then you can succeed as far just.... because you're talented.

Bow:

But to reiterate ....what Daisy was saying .....is that um...
....I want to make this point. ......You don't necessarily ...have to go to college.... to get an education.
....And I will give you .....another example ....that when I was ...living in Korea.... I had decided to.......... stop living in Korea.... and go to... graduate school.
....And the reason was ....because I..... believed ....all that stuff ....like you have to educate .....yourself you have to go... to institution.
.....So I went to..... the graduate school..... that I was going to apply to... it was an art school
..... and I met ....some of the students in there ....and they were so .....colorless
.....and I thought they would be ....so great because..... they are artists..... and stuff but they were all .....kind of they had the same kind of..... M.O. as ...just like any kind of student.
....Whereas the people that.... I meet here in Korea ....are so much more colorful ........and I learn so much more from them ...and like ....or other people like.... that come here from..... different countries of the world I learn..... so much more than.... having that paper.

Vivian:

Well ....you know you gotta think that .....being in a foreign country .....and you have so many people .....from different lands... come here.
....Those people that came here ....they're not run of the mill... kind of people..,
.....they're.., .....first they gotta have guts ...to go somewhere else and.... they were interested.... in learning more ....and growing ...and developing ...within themselves.

Bow:

...Yes, ...I agree and also.... I thought. .....I'm not gonna to graduate school..... and I'm gonna make the world my class room.
.....And another way would be..... this is good .....base to travel to.... other countries .....and learn about other cultures ....which I really..... haven't got the chance.... to do but
....again you can still ....do that without.... visually seeing that .....a little bit ....like vicariously ....through other people ...that do
.... and go and have these experiences .....you know like people.... that were there they might ......think about going to Thailand ....but
.... would they really know why .....would they have a lot details of.... like uh,
.....why they would wanna go there..... or do they just wanna go to like.... cool beach and do drugs ...you know.

Daisy:

Well you know ....I agree with everything.... both of you have just said.... but I also think .....an education cannot be replaced
....if you enter ....that institution or.... that education ....for the right reasons.
....I don't think ...the right reason ....are going ....for the job ....on the Wall street ..or the six figured salaries.
.... But if you go into that institution.... and you're mentally prepared.... for what you're going to learn and you're using..... that information.... in a practical way
... not just in the.... theoretical way.... that society ...has told you... should use it.
....Then I don't think there's anything ...that can ...replace ...that type of education.

Bow:

We might all agree at that point. ....But then again.... like... it still is the fact that people .....need that piece of paper to get on.

Vivian:

Yeh reality bites.

Daisy:

That's true. ....I think you do ...if you want to .....be in a profession... that requires.... you to have a science degree
....or that requires you..... to have a degree in psychiatry ....or whatever of course it's necessary.

Vivian:
..
....Or you just can't ....get beyond the barrier.... there are still people ....who practice and.... who work in those field..... they may not have a piece of paper..... but most of time in general you need it.

Daisy:

Right,..... but I specifically talking about .....professions like psychiatry.
....I mean you can.., ....because psychiatrist unless you ....have 7 year degree.

Vivian:

Unless you're Dear Abby.

Bow:

Also ....I think this is.... philosophy of the x-generation... which is while I go
... bust my butt for 4 years ......and get my degree
.... but now I'm gonna be a bartender ....because it's more fun ...and if I like lose my job.

Vivian:

You still have security.

Bow:

Yes. I just can go back.... and become a history teacher.

Daisy:

I don't see anything bad... with that though.

Bow:

But I don't either.

Daisy:

I don't see anything wrong with it.

Bow:

No, I'm not saying it in negative way.

Vivian:

It's a something insurance.

Daisy:

No.

Bow:

I am just stating the fact.

Daisy:

I think so a bartender ....with university degree ....that has a broad knowledge ...of history or
....you know psychology ....would be a fascinating bartender.
I'd go to that bar.
.... He probably make ...a good living owning a bar..... and tending that bar..... I don't see any problem with that.

Bow:

The job bartender is derogatory.

Vivian:

But any job.

Bow:

Another job ....that is outside of your major.

Daisy:

That's the thing.... I think that ....it doesn't matter... what you study
....that education ....somewhere down the track.... is going to benefit you .....as long as you have approached ....that education.... with open mind ....and you've actually gained ...something from it.

Vivian:

And also.... you don't have to ....necessarily have.... I mean.... after you have that piece of paper you are still educating yoursel...f not necessarily.... by going to school.... but there are many people ....who educate themselves like I said ......my godfather to the States.... still educates himself ....and is always looking for... a new... you know.

Daisy:

You know that's really..... important too, .....furthering your education.... and constantly .....wanting to get.... increase your knowledge
....but I also think that ....you know .....if we just approach... our education... in a different way ....without the capitalistic ideals ....behind it.... and thinking..... or encouraging.... your children ....to go to school ....for different reasons..... not because you have to win ....not because you have to be this or .......do that ....just for the reason ...that education ....was originally created.... by Greek philosophers
....you know ...to improve.... you as human being.... to grasp the higher faculties.... and get something from them.

Vivian:

And maybe before .....we close since we talked about ....early education
.... you know..... later on education.... life now and work.
.... Maybe we should touch base..... before we end the conversation....
.... on you know..... education in your later years... you know.... these days you hear a lot about people ....going back to get that piece of paper
.....or you know still like..... I said my ....godfather still.... I mean.... he has had that piece of paper... but still continuing to
....you know strive for more ....and higher education.
...Do you think ...you still be ....studying and.... maybe groping more.... knowledge?

Luke:

I don't know if I'll be ....academically studying.... I might be.... I'd like to leave the option open.
.... I wouldn't be.... I wouldn't feel ashamed.... or ...like I ....was going backwards.... by going back to school ...if it was something.... that interested me.
... but I just think that hopefully ....the kind of jobs I'll ....end up with.... will allow me to..... explore different avenues.
.... and to grow in different ways.... and to become more enlightened.... with different things and ....
....I mean ....that's kind of that's hopefully ..what it is...
.... they say ...you know ....the best way to be successful ....and happy is to find something ...you really like ....and figure out a way to get ...paid for.... it and if you can do that... that's pretty good.

Daisy:

You know I ....definitely agree.... with everything you just said I.... hopefully ...I want to always.... be a student ...whether it be.... at an academic institution.... or student of life
....but I ....believe.... when I was last at ....college I.... took a few philosophy classes.... and I loved them ...........and I think... that's my next step,
....I'm gonna go back ....and I'm gonna get another degree... in philosophy ....not for my job .....just because ....I love it ...and that is.... I think the essential... reason... for studying.
... If you love it ...and you are interested it... then go and study it.

Vivian:

Right..... I definitely agree, ....I found that I ....am very satisfied ....oh I wanna learn this or.... these days I wanna take lessons doing this
....because it satisfies me ....not because ....it's going to get me.... higher up on that chain,
....It will eventually, ...It satisfies me .....and gives me some sort of ....personal gratification.....
.... being able to... learn another... you know ....trade ...or ...learning more... knowledge.

Luke:

I think of a lot of employers ....when they are looking to hire someone.... the way that everyone these days ....is so... over qualified... for so many jobs.

People have gone to school ....for so long ...and have learned ...so much about ....so many jobs about their fields... and stuff so specialized.
.... I think the really difference ....is the edge you'll get ....is this is being well rounded interesting person.
I mean no one wants to work.... with someone ....whose the best and very intelligent ....and very hard working
.... but has ...a lame personality.... and is a total deadbeat... to hang out with,
....You work with your co-workers ....you wanna be to able to get ...along with them you.... wanna be stimulated ...by them you wanna be ...interested ...in them... you have to work ...with the people,

Bow:

I disagree kind of a little bit. .....Yes ...at some points I do ...agree depending... on the job
... what if it's like ...NASA,... I don't really want ....or like heart surgeon ....I don't want the... guy joking around.

Luke:

The majority of jobs ..I'm saying.

Bow:

The lame jobs ...like accounting and stuff.

Daisy:

I don't know.... a heart surgeon with a ....humorous ...personality.

Bow:

Ok, ....Maybe like ...when he's not.,,

Vivian:

Squeezing your heart,

Bow:

Maybe outside ...or something..,.... Hey you want hear a joke..... You got three days to live.

Daisy:

Yeh with scalpel in your head.

Bow:

Just kidding.

Luke:

I mean.... how much of your time ....of course ...part of whole... work thing and having.... a cohesion in any work.... environment is you do you work ....for a bit ...and you work well together
.... but then you're not working ....when you get to kick back a bit
....can you have anything to talk about.... can you hang out it's cool ....can you go..... for some beers after a hard days' work.
.... I am sure guys ...from NASA ....go out for beers ..after a hard days' work.

Daisy:

That has to be ....in any working environment ....whether it be NASA ...or whether it be this studio here some kind of camaraderie.. between people.
.... And you know ....that is something that life ....and living ....and relationships ...can only give you.
....So I think that.... you know.... in closing.... that ....an education is irreplaceable ....and it's very important ....but we have to.... look at the reasons ....why we are educating ourselves... once again.

Vivian:

Right.

Luke:

And also ....try to foster ....in our own children ....and in our schools ....and in our teachers.... an attitude of.... not competition ....with another not..... by route appreciation ....and learning of things
....but an absorbing of things.... internalization of ideas.... and an ability to interact
........ and cooperate with your peers ....throughout all stages of growth ....and throughout education ....
....because those are the values.... that are really ....those are the traits ...that really valued
....when you are in an actual job's ...situation ....and which will ....benefit everyone .......like all of humanity... in the long run,

Vivian:

Ok.... and also you know... I think.... and foster ....other ways... to educate them ...like ...
....don't make them lazy... like we're talking about x-generation..... encourage them.... to have part time jobs ....while they're at school .....so that they learn.... other lessons as well.

Bow:

Um and also ....I think that ....our views today.... I wanna say ....this to our listeners... that
.... you know our views ....have been really pretty ..much liberal.
....You know a lot of conservative ....views out there people will say ....
.....no this is the right way ....and it really is ...up to you... these are our opinions ...
....and uh, ....you know everyone... has different opinions ....this group ...here just has more ....I think liberal opinions... than other people.

Luke:

Yes ....but if truth ...really be known. ...We're right.

Daisy:

Amen.

Vivian:

We hope.

Luke:

We know it.

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经过压码整理文本和压码听懂语音（压码心中注音或压码心中听写）练习，大脑留下了较深的语音、文本对应关系的印记，这时是练习压码阅读理解、记忆的较佳时机。
  眼睛看着文本，心中慢慢回想语音，你这时可以在心中回想压码抄写或者进行压码注音（一次只练习一种，练习一个语音过程中，不要心中压码抄写和心中压码注音交叉使用，再练习一遍以后可以换一种练习，也可以），这时练习较透彻的一种理解记忆方式，也是最后检验学习效果的方法。
        练习基本上是越慢越好，就算20%速度吧，采用腹部用力下沉的呼气来压码回想语音，也就是压码听清的回想方法，可以保持较慢的速度来回想语音，做到语音浑厚、圆润、富有表情和节奏感，一口气慢慢回想一个完整的句子，注意体会腹部呼吸的感觉，身体在慢慢发生变化，正是消化吸收的过程和理解记忆的表现形式，练习的过程正好和整理分解文本相反和一个基本词组合成的过程，练习一个句子，你尽管用力调整呼吸即可，遇到句子连接词即可停止，你这时就可以采用多重压码的方法，进行快速回想刚才练习的慢句子了，一个比较长的句子如果你可以快速、准确互想起来，基本就可以说明你已经理解记忆住了。不能回想出来，或者比较复杂的单词不能回想出来拼写，你可以过回想几遍，不能理解的句子你也可以多回想几遍以便帮助理解。