2. 《听说大突破》Abortion and Sexual Education压码听懂练习

压码出来了语音、文本、意思，你学会了英语思维的过程和汉语完全一样，得到的个结论会使得你大吃一惊，英语思维就是中文思维，这个问题就太容易掌握了。英语和中文不同所不同的就是基本词组的排列顺序。
    所以压码整理文本只要熟悉基本词组排列顺序就可以解决理解和说口语问题了。
    实际上你在压码理解以后，你并不能全部记住文章，但是你会说了以后，就不用记住文章了。这就是先压码整理文本理解文章，然后通过英语思维学会说口语，这个说口语你只要通过压码听懂就可以实现。反过来再听语音理解记忆就容易了。

  以后你练习英语就是在理解基础上的重复压码记忆的自然消化吸收，说明白一点，因为你是可以理解的，所以你就得到了第一个假设条件，所有文章的压码听懂是在理解基础上的练习。

压码的进程：
  1、整理文本，听着语音看着文本，语音和文本对应起来，二者联系要细腻；
  2、听着语音，看着整理完毕的文本，进行检验整理文本的语音停顿正确性，同时加深语音压码记忆；
  3、听语音，看语音频谱图，进行压码回想完整的句子，看自己可以压码到达怎样的程度，看自己压码到语音，压码到文本，压码到意思的那个层次；检验压码提前造句，压码跟随，压码回想，多重压码记忆；
  4、看文本，压码到语音，压码理解记忆。
    压码开始不能做到压码到语音、文本、意思三者归一，因为练习压码听懂的程度还有区别，只要按照压码程度的不同步骤练习，可以分别解决不同的问题。

不要在自己压码程度达不到的情况下浪费时间。
什么意思？就是压码一次达到所有最深的层次不容易，就是说你开始压码练习，没有完全压码到音、形、义是正常的，压码练习以后的遗忘也是正常的，这是你千万不要着急。压码可以很快提高到记忆语音、记忆文本，理解记忆意思的程度。
  压码只达到一个句子的回想语音正确就说明自己可以立即练习好，练习一遍压码整理文本就达到了语音细节、理解意思的程度，最多一个分拆语音文本放慢速度，一定要语音、文本同步整理，用1个小时时间就可以解决问题。这是关键的解决问题的步骤，压马掌握的细节一定要拼写文本到最小的单元。
    直接听语音如果不能全部压码到语音、文本、意思的程度，联系一遍以后，听语音的效果是最好的，不要再浪费时间反复听语音，这对练习的总有效学习时间是不利的。最好的办法是换一个方式练习，看整理的文本听语音，认真练习一遍，可以重复一遍，再练习直接听语音，就可以听懂到语音、文本、意思的层面，压码语音深化了。
    整理文本以后可以修改整理文本，这样你只要在修改上重新练习一遍，并加以修改旧可以对停顿把握的更准确了，你还可以进一步细化语音细节到文本，速度就可以提高到50%到100%速度练习，同时又是加深记忆的过程。在回来练习听语音，就可能亚码听懂到完整长句子的理解记忆上。
  如果你压码语音、文本、意思都很认真，效果感觉很好，倒是最后整篇课文练习下来记忆不好，容易遗忘，这时候说明你在巩固直接听语音的时间和遍数不够，在完全压住语音、文本、理解意思的基础上的听语音，效果才是最好的。这时反复巩固的过程，前面再没有完全压住音、形、义的情况下，只是练习整理文本以后的一个休息机会来进行效果检验。只有效果最好的情况下，已经消化了能够完全吸收的情况下反复听才有利于巩固记忆。
    练习完毕，的压码阅读，可以充分消化吸收，加深理解记忆。这时提高的是看文本回想语音的能力，和理解记忆的能力。如果直接听几遍理解记忆效果不好的情况下，一定不要浪费听语音的时间，压马阅读以下，记忆效果会更好。

压码听懂的最终目的是听说读写全部掌握，实际上就是压码听出音、形、义并且记忆住。实际上大家是不能在开始压码就理解实现的。说实话我也不能做到，只有压码看电影才能够做到，但是不属于本文讨论的范围，因为那样练习虽然简单容易、效果好，但是太累，需要图像，而最难的是没有图像的语音压码听懂。
    我们练习听力效果好与差的区别，一是不知道影响因素，哪里有问题的解决方法不知道，二是能否不浪费练习时间，不要强攻，要制取。只要练习效果不好就不要依靠反复练习、刻苦练习来攻克，而是马上根据问题采取变换练习方式，达到最佳有效学习时间。
    实际上真正练习压码听懂的关键点只有一个整理文本的步骤，其他步骤都是配套的步骤，是让你休息的时间，放松以后继续保持精力练习下面一课语音的短暂修饰检验学习效果的时间。真阳才能练习的速度又快又好？就是突击练习压码整理的语音数量。而一个分拆语音的目的，就是让你不会再身体疲劳的时候坚持练习，而是还没有感觉疲劳，一个小时就练习完毕，自己感觉还不解气，还要练习新的语音。这样你没有压力，心情就高兴了，效果当然也好。练习次数不要过多，有的学员为了达到学习效果，反复练习一课语音，这样开始还容易坚持，但是经常这样练习对保持永久的学习效果不利。
    最后练习一天的内容，学习效果都是最佳的状态进行，全天任务完成了，该睡了，再也不认真练习新的内容了，这才是最后记忆的机会。而且以觉醒来，就是几个小时，带耳机睡觉是巩固听力的最佳时机。谁会舍得正式练习时间进行巩固听力。

只看着文本也可以整理文本，整理文本语音停顿的基本词组和句子。
只要你整理过一次文本时在听着语音地情况下进行的，不听语音真理文本，也同样可以借助连接词整理文本。经常练习压码听懂的学员实际上，听语音整理的文本和不听语音整理的文本，你进行以下听语音看文本整理文本实际上是一样的，但是从来不进行听语音、看文本的学员，只是在不与语音同步练习整理文本效果和准确率就大打折扣。
  所以一定要强调：在论坛实时听语音、看文本整理基本词组练习。
  而且练习的时候，即使整理文本速度快于语音仍然是准确的。这时你必须眼睛重新找到播放的语音停留在文本的地方，这样语音效果才能更好，提高更快。
  只有你自己练习非常熟练多情况下，比如你会上班的空心时间整理文本，没有语音整理文本，你同样可以进行。在下班以后第一步整理文本就可以直接通过修改整理文本、直接看整理完毕的文本听语音进行检验、压码理解记忆。学习效率也是很高的。因为你练习这个语音以后，又要进行下面语音的练习了。看着文本看出语音的细节来。
 
   

每当看孙老师的新作就会很开心，我进一步加深了理解，也为孙老师的仔细和造诣感到佩服。孙老师为了帮助我们学好英语，压码法就为了我们“懒人”学英语而开创的。孙老师还注意提高我们的兴趣，让我们对自己有信心能学下去，这方面老师也摸索了很多道理。当我感到困难的时候，看看老师的文章，想想老师在和我们一起努力，看看老师的态度，我们没有理由放弃。真不知道怎么感谢老师，唯有一句：祝老师天天开心，万事如意！

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3. Abortion and Sexual EducationB1 的29分6秒到43分38.36秒的语音文本



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Vivian:


OK. Let's, ...let's get..... back to.... that in a little, .....in a minute here.
.....We can talk about..... the details. ....OK, Daisy. .....Do you.... wanna tell us.... where you stand?

Daisy:

......OK. Well, .....actually ....I just wanna to... ask Bow .....a question.
......Um, ....I just wanna to.... ask him.....
if you do ....have like ....obviously..... I understand....
what you're saying..... and probably..... pretty much most peoples' views .....are the same,
but..... how could .....you make a law.... to make a standard.... for that type of thing,
..... how could... you say:..... it's ok..... for this person.... to have an abortion
..... but it's not ok..... for a woman..... in her thirties .....who's not married,
.....but has..... the financial ability ....to have a child?

Vivian:

There's a wide grey area.

Bow:

Yeah...., I don't know,.... it's,.... I don't,.... I'm not a law maker,
.....I don't know.... that is still uh,... just, uh,... just my opinion. ....That's what I think,
...(Vivian: Exactly)
....and I,... it should be.... talked about more.
....People ....that do make laws ....and people ...that do make theirs,
....you know,.... who have.... these problems ....and these situations ...come up,
....and we should be... talked about.

Luke:
....
..... But you're basically.... pro-choice, .....but you don't think.... you don't feel that,
.... that it should be.... used as a form of..... birth-control ....for example.
(Vivian: It shouldn't be abused.)

Bow:

.....If you have to.... label it, ....but I think, ....you know.... within the label of pro- choice ...or extreme pro-choice people,
.....and there are.... extreme pro-life.
..... But I'm more ...you know,.... in the middle of... both of those.

Luke:

Of course, ....I would say.... the same..... I would say ....that I'm definitely pro- choice,
....but I think ...that yeah,.... abortion is ...not something.... that you just,
.... you just, ....sort of do.... for the heck of it..... But I don't think, ....I don't think... that's any human,
....in a person's nature,.... I mean...., if someone's gonna, ...gonna have a child, ...
....a woman is, ....obviously,.... is gonna have the child,
..... there's gonna be ....some kind of attachment to,
.... and some kind of like.... psychological.... factor there.
....That doesn't make it ....an easy decision.... in any,.... in any situation.
.... I think... if it's a repeated thing,.... if it's,... it happens continually,
.... there's a obviously problem there ....and I don't know,.... it's hard to... regulate that
(Bow: Yeah)
....but I also, ....I don't think... that someone... who's definitely... not ready,
.... and not interested.... in raising a child ....and isn't ....gonna give a 100%,
....or isn't just like, ...mentally.... and emotionally prepared.... for that, ...for that to happen.
....I don't know ....if it's... if it's a wise move.... and... if there not,.... if they're not.... fully committed ...to it.
.....That's the first sign ...that it's,... uh, ....no, shouldn't do it,... shouldn't be done,..
.... shouldn't happen, ....do the abortion,.. give the child, ....
.....like a fair shot ....a having a real life... kind of thing.

Vivian:

So both.... you guys.... are kind of ....in the pro-choice section....
but not very,... you know,...
(Daisy: Pro-life) right.

Bow:

I don't think... for the extreme ....pro-choice people... who say like, ...uh,
it's gonna ruin ...my career ....and this kind of thing,
...if that person ....has confidence... in themselves,
....and I believe ...that they could rise ...above that, ....they could... take care of a child,
....and then,.... I think once.... that they started to.... raise the child.... and they could,
....people do it all ...the time,.... they have careers.... and they raise children,
...they become successful. ...And the children ...go to college ...and they become successful,
....and become.... a great member of society.
....But did you say.... like to look ahead.... into the future ....and say no,
....this is just gonna.... ruin everything... for me,... so,... I'm just gonna,...
.... you know, ...cut this embryo out, ...and it's nothing, ...it doesn't mean anything,
.... but I believe... that the, um,.... pro-, extreme pro-choicers say.... that it's not a life ...yet and,
....but I don't believe, ....I believe... it is a life,... it's not a human yet....
.... But it is, ...it is life, ....like every cell ...in your body's life,.... plants are life,
....you know..... So that's my opinion.
...(Luke: Yeah)

Vivian:

OK, ...Daisy.... Where do you stand?
.... Do you ...have a firm stand ...on either way?

Daisy:

....Well,... I'm definitely... pro-choice.... I believe... that abortion ...should be,
.... should be legal. ...But for ....different reasons.
Not because ....I don't believe... that a fetus is,
....urn, ...not a baby yet. ...I believe.... exactly the same thing.... that Brandan does,
....not because.... I believe... that a fetus..... is not a baby... at that point,
...I do believe ....it is a baby. ...Probably very soon.... after conception.
Um, I'm in agreement ...with Bow,... there....
....But, ....I, I believe ....it is a necessary evil ....of our society....
and that ...what we were discussing.... before sex education.
We've been... negligent and, ...um,.... therefore ....many women ...are falling pregnant
..... and don't have.... an option ...of course there ...are these women
.... that are career women ....and saying that it... won't fit ...in my life.
.... But if ....that woman is.... so selfish.... at that point.
....I would rather, .....there are ....so many children.... that are neglected,
.... in our societies ...today, ...I'd rather ....she get rid of it.... than have it,
.... because,... rather than ...seeing another child ...being brought up in a,
uh, a selfish home
(Vivian: Right)
.... with a selfish mother.
....But I do feel.... that if we go back... to the 1950s
....where women ....were having ....backyard abortions,
....sticking coat hangers up... themselves...
.... and damaging themselves ...for life ....so they couldn't.... have another child
....or women ....that are raped.... by their family,
....or strangers... on the street ...and have to... hate that child ...for their entire life.
...I don't think ...that's fair. ....I think ...the law... should be there.... to protect women,
....and I think it's ...a total feminist issue
..... And I'm enraged.... when I hear ....men in government ...talk about it.

Vivian:

....Well, there's.... a lot of details ....about ...each side,
.... you know,.... for example, ....I could just bring up... the fact, ...um,
.... lots of people.... like.... for women, ....lots of people think ....it's the women's choice,
....it is her body. ....No..., I could always say....
.... OK...., but there are.... so many people.... that wanna adopt children... but can't have children.
.... Why couldn't ....this person ...instead of get,... um, ....having the child ...
.....or you know,... and keeping it,.... why don't they have ....it wait the 8 months... or 10 months,
.... have the child ....and give it up.... for adoption ....to. the couples... who really, ...really want a child.
.... But then,... that person.... can also argue, ....hey,... that 8 to 10 months.... that's a whole year out of my life
....that's changing my body.... and that really does change.... my life.... in a sense.
.... And so maybe ....I don't wanna partake.... in something l....ike that.
.. And so.... that could be ....an argument there, .....and then here's ....another argument,
....a lot of people say
(Bow: ...One at a time, ...one at a time)
sure, ...ok..., but this is, ....this kinda goes along ...with that.
....What if the woman doesn't.... want that... and the man
...., there is always ...a man involved,... I mean,.... we always say... it's the woman's... body... but
...., is it the man's choices ....as well?
....And ....what if he does.... want the child...., and the woman doesn't.
...Let's attack... this one.

Daisy:

.....OK. ...I believe.... that if it's a man ...and a woman..
..... that are involved... in a mutual loving relationship ....
.....and they're living togethe....r and they have ....the means.... to have that child?
..... I believe.... in that case.... that the man ....has a fifty percent '.... say.
....' Um,.... if it was.... a casual one night affair, ...I don't think... he has a choice,
..... he was simply.... sleeping ....with the woman ....
....and they were mutually ....using each other... if they,... if you like,... I don't think... he has any say... in...
.....that woman ....because.... she had a one-night stand.... with him ....for nine months.... she has to ....bear his child.
.... That's absurd.
... (Vivian: But you guys)

Luke:

..... But ....what if he's saying.... he wants to support it..... and he's willing to ...go through ...with it?
.... It's up to ....the woman ...and to, ...to consider.
(Daisy: Yeah, it is up to her.)
.....But the man actually.... if he is a full a full, ...uh,...
.... like a full partner.... in the relationship ....has exactly 50%?
(Daisy:... I think ....that he ...does have same)
.... even though... it is the woman's ....body 50%,... exactly that?
...(Vivian: 50%? ....Would you like... it to be 40?)
(Vivian: I don't know...)

Luke:..

..... What ...would you do?.... If it was 50%... you couldn't... really dc) anything?

Daisy:

....You have to ....take it... to the court, ....in a court of the law.
(Bow: What should the law be?)
.... What should the law be?
(Bow: Yeah.)
....Well, .....i guess.... that they... have to take.
(Bow: What do you think?)
....What do I think?.... I guess every situation'....s gonna be different.... I mean ...that's the thing,
....I mean, ....if the woman ....could possibly.... lose her... entire career.
....Say she's ...in a country ...like Korea..... where you know,
..... I mean, ....some women are..... discriminated against.... if they're married... and have children.... in the work place.
.... Um, ....if it's going to ....discriminate.... against her career ....and she's got,
....she's got .....a great future.... ahead of her,...
.... then,... you know, ...I think.... we should be.... more thinking about.... the woman.
.... If it's, ...if it's likely.... that she ca....n have more children... in the future.

Luke:

....I'm surprised.... you gave the man... 50%,... that's... why I said it.

Luke:

That's very generous.

Vivian:

.... I also take.... into consideration ...that ....we're kind of thinking more along... the western side,
.... I don't know .....about Europe ....or up other countries
...., but in America ....a woman has six months.... maternal leave.
.....So you know,..... before she even shows ....she can.... take off.... and come back... after she's had the baby.
....In Korea, ....apparently, ....you don't have..... maternal leave,
.... you only I mean, ....you can only leave.... for one month,
....I'm not even sure, ....but you certainly.... don't have six months.

Daisy:

Two months.

Vivian:

Two Months..... Anyways but,.... either way,..... I mean, ...
....the situation ....is totally different.... that would put you
(Daisy: Right)
...totally put you back.... if you were ...in a different country.

Daisy:

....It would,.... and I think.... that's something.... to take.... into consideration,
.... but even.... in our country,..... I mean.... even though ...it's more accepted
.....and there's.... a lot of people that, ......that generally ....do support pro-choice.
.....You've gotta ...consider religion..... There are.... so many religious factions.
........ In every country, ....and me I grow up ....in a Catholic family
...... If my fathe....r heard me.... talk like this, .....he'd probably.... have a cow,
..... but these are my choices, .....but I'm not making my, ....my choice on, ...
......you know, .....a scientific fact or, ....or even a religious .....or emotional fact....
..... I see...... it as a necessity.... in our society.
..... And I do believe ....it's a feminist issue.

Luke:

.....Well. .....That's the idea ....here too. ....It's kind of ....in Korea.... or in Asia... it's a catch 22,
....because ....according to society ....you know ....you're not supposed to,
..... you're not supposed ...to fornicate..... But people do,.
..... because..... it's a natural .....they wanna have sex, ....some... you know,
.... some accidents happen, .....and they have a baby. .....But then... they make abortion illegal.
.... And you're not, ......and if you're pregnant out ...of wedlock,
....then you're look down ...on in society..... So,.... what are you supposed to do.... really in that case?
... (Vivian: Exactly)

Bow: .....They set up things here...., in these Confucian societies
, (Vivian: Sure)
....you have ...no choices really.

Daisy:

.... But, I ...do think... it's.... become a little too common.... as Luke was saying before,
.... there are some women out there.... that are using ....this as a form... of contraception,
.... which is.... just amoral.... you know,..... it's not acceptable.
.... And I think .....that we need to.... kind of ....get back to... educating people.... that this is not ok... and it's,
....not.., ...apparently.... I was told.... by a doctor.... that it's not good... for a woman.
.....The more a woman ....has an abortion,.... the less chance ....she has ....of falling pregnant again.

Vivian:

Right...., and having a healthy baby too,...... and it causes pro, ....problems ....for herself, too.

Daisy:

Yeah. ....So I think.... if we're.... gonna clamp down.... as a society ...on abortion.
....Not saying ...it's wrong ....that women still ....have these choices,
....but offer other al...
(Vivian: Alternatives)
.....alternatives ....and opportunities... for them. ...OK..... Say... to the career woman.
... Alright..... If you have this child..... these are the benefits..... that we can give you,
..... this is the help..... we can give you .....and finding..... the child.... a good home.
.....Um, ...You know ....with adoption ...and things like that.
..... Think about...... if the government ....wants to,.... you know, ...
.....move away..... from so many people ....having abortion,
.... then ....offer other alternatives... and options.

Vivian:

... The,.... the options certainly.... do have to be there,
.... but also there.... is the moral ....aspect you know,
.... which ....if you're doing it.... for contraceptive reasons
..... or because ....it was an accident.... and you really weren't careful ....or because.... you could have it, ...but you couldn't.
.... Anyways ....but we have to make..... that moral issue.... much more of a stronger point ...in society now
....and also,... I mean, .....if you're doing it.... just you could.... have the baby
.... but I just don't.... want to ...and this was just ....an accident.
....That should be .....like a public thing. ....People would..,.... it should be ....like a standard thing.......
...... that we think... that is not right, ....you know, .....I mean ....you should only do this,
..... in the case of,..... this is my personal opinion,..... but if you were raped or,
..... in extreme circumstances,....... if you're very young, .....and it really was an accident,
..... and you have ....no other options ....left to you,
..... I mean, ....then I think.... that should be.... an option for you.

Bow:

.....Um,..... this is kind of getting back to .....what we were talking about,
.....or I was talking about .....before with the titles of pro-choice ....or pro-life.
....But, um,..... have you seen the movie?..... What is it?.... If Walls Could Speak,
.....it is all about abortion?
(Vivian: Yes, If walls could talk)
....well, ....if walls could talk,.... yes. .....And in Boston,.... there's a lot of um, .....abortion clinics, ...
....and there's a lot of.... pro-lifers.... who stand outside.
.... There was a guy.... that ....close to my house,
.....an abortion clinic.... that was close.... to my house
.... and a guy ....went in there.... and killed one of the doctors.
.....He's under the title pro-life ....which is kind of a contradiction.... because he's taking a life
(Daisy: Exactly)
....He trying to say, ....but his excuse is.... that I'm trying to save.... many lives... by taking one,
.... But.... how does that work?.... you know,.... I don't ...understand that.

Vivian:

.....It's like a vigilante.... kind of instance, ....
.....and he is kind of contradicting himself....
..... but he's saying..... I'll save a majority versus one.
..... (Daisy: ...Right, ...so many babies)

Bow:

.....I know ....what he's saying but,.... I mean...., those women are gonna,
....have gone through the decision.
..... The hard task of ...making a decision.... to go there,.... are not gonna... stop there.

Daisy:

.... Right. ......What is fascinating.... to me is, ....that here,... there is ....so much talk.
.....People's protesting ....outside abortion clinics today.
....But abortion has been around.... for centuries, ....and it wasn't.... performed... by a doctor,
.... it was, ....basically, ....you know, ....you know, ....you go to your local... herb doctor ...or witch doctor,
.....and you can, ....an abortion.... can be performed ....with simple herbs like ...ginger ...and parsley.
.....And this has been going on.... for centuries. ....The African, ....a lot of tribes... in Africa,
.....they believe, ....that it is solely ....up to the woman..... as the giver of life...
..... and she is..... the representation of god .....and if she.... falls pregnant.... then it is her decision ....whether ....she brings ....that life forth.
.....They believe.... that if that life ....is not wanted ....then..... why should it ...be brought... into the world,
it should brought.... into the world.... when it's loved.
..... And they've been ....using these herbs for,.... for uh, ....centuries,....
............ to perform abortions, .....so it's not a modern day issue
...... It's not something,.... you know,... in other cultures.... it is accepted ...within their religions...
...... So you know,..... I, I've, .....I kind of don't understand.... why people are,
.....maybe.... because.... it's just public now. ....I don't get it.

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Vivian:

OK. Let's, ....let's get back to.... that in a little,..... in a minute here
..... We can talk about..... the details. ....OK, Daisy. ....Do you wanna ...tell us... where you stand?

Daisy:

OK. Well, .....actually .....I just wanna to ....ask Bow a question. ....Um, I just wanna to... ask him...
. if you do.... have like obviously.... I understand......
what you're saying.... and probably.... pretty much most peoples' views.... are the same,
....but how.... could you make a law.... to make a standard ....for that type of thing,
....how could you say:.... it's ok for this person.... to have an abortion
...but it's not ok.... for a woman ....in her thirties.... who's not married,
...... but has the financial ability to.... have a child?

Vivian:

There's a wide grey area.

Bow:

.....Yeah,... I don't know,... it's, I don't, .....I'm not a law maker,
.....I don't know.... that is still uh, just, uh, ....just my opinion. ....That's... what I think,
(Vivian: Exactly)
.... and I...., it should b....e talked about more.
.....People ....that do make laws ....and people ....that do make theirs,
....you know, ....who have these problems.... and these situations ...come up,
....and we should be... talked about.

Luke:

....But you're basically... pro-choice, ....but you don't think ....you don't feel that,
.... that it should be...... used as a form of..... birth-contro....l for example.
... (Vivian: ....It shouldn't b...e abused.)

Bow:

..... If you have to.... label it, ....but I think, ....you know.... within the label of ...pro- choice
....or extreme... pro-choice people,.... and there are.... extreme ...pro-life.
.... But I'm more you know,..... in the middle of both of those.

Luke:

....Of course,.... I would say.... the same.... I would say ....that I'm definitely ...pro- choice,
....but I think that... yeah, ....abortion is not something... that you just,... you just,..
.... sort of do.... for the heck of it.... But I don't think,... I don't think ...that's any human,
....in a person's nature, ....I mean,.... if someone's gonna,.... gonna have a child,
....a woman is, ...obviously,.... is gonna have the child
....., there's gonna b...e some kind of.... attachment to,
..... and some kind of like... psychological.... factor there.
.......That doesn't make it ....an easy decision ...in any, ....in any situation.
.... I think ....if it's a repeated thing,... if it's,... it happens continually,
....there's a obviously problem there ....and I don't know, ....it's hard to.... regulate that
(Bow: Yeah)
.....but I also,.... I don't think... that someone .....who's definitely.... not ready,
.... and not interested.... in raising a child ...and isn't gonna give ...a 100%,
....or isn't just like, ....mentally ....and emotionally prepared.... for that, f
....or that to happen. ...I don't know.... if it's ...if it's ...a wise move... and if there not,...
..... if they're not ....fully committed to it. ....That's the first sign ...that it's, uh, ...no, shouldn't do it,
.....shouldn't be done, ....shouldn't happen,.... do the abortion,.... give the child, ...
.....like a fair shot ....a having a real life... kind of thing.

Vivian:

.....So both ....you guys are.... kind of.... in the pro-choice section ....but not very,
..... you know,
...(Daisy: Pro-life) right.

Bow:.... I don't think.... for the extreme.... pro-choice people ....who say like, uh,
..... it's gonna ruin my career ...and this kind of thing
...., if that person ....has confidence.... in themselves,
....and I believe.... that they could rise above that,..... they could.... take care of a child,
....and then, .....I think once that ....they started to.... raise the child.... and they could,
....people do it all ...the time,... they have careers.... and they raise children,
....they become successful..... And the children ....go to college ...and they become successful,
..... and become ....a great member of society....
But did you say like... to look ahead... into the future ...and say.
. no, ...this is just gonna ruin everything ...for me, so,
I'm just gonna..., you know,... cut this embryo out, ...and it's nothing,... it doesn't mean anything,
.... but I believe... that the, um,... pro-, extreme... pro-choicers say
.....that it's not a life yet and, .....but I don't believe, ....I believe ...it is a life,... it's not a human yet.
....But it is, ...it is life,.... like every cell i...n your body's life,
.....plants are life, ...you know.... So that's ...my opinion.
... (Luke: Yeah)

Vivian:

OK, Daisy. ...Where do you stand?..... Do you have.... a firm stand ....on either way?

Daisy:

Well,.... I'm definitely pro-choice.... I believe ....that abortion should be,
....should be legal. ....But.... for different reasons..... Not because ...
....I don't believe... that a fetus is, urn, ...not a baby yet.....
.... I believe... exactly the same thing.... that Brandan does,
.... not because.... I believe... that a fetus ....is not a baby at that point,
....I do believe ...it is a baby.... Probably... very soon.... after conception.
....Um, ....I'm in agreement ....with Bow,.... there.....
.....But,... I, I believe..... it is a necessary evil ....of our society
....and that..... what we were discussing.... before sex education.
.... We've been negligent and, ....um,.... therefore ...many women ...are falling pregnant ..
.....and don't have an option ...of cours....e there are these women....
that are career women.... and saying ...that it won't fit in my life.....
.... But if that woman.... is so selfish ...at that point. ....I would rather,
...there are ....so many children.... that are neglected,.... in our societies today,..
.. I'd rather she get rid of it than have it,...
..... because,.... rather than.... seeing another child being brought up in a, ....uh, a selfish home
..(Vivian: Right)
....with a selfish mother..... But I do feel.... that ....if we go bac...k to the 1950s
.....where women.... were having backyard abortions,
....sticking coat hangers up themselves ....and damaging themselves... for life
....so they couldn't have another child ....or women ....that are raped ...by their family,
.... or strangers ....on the street ...and have to ...hate that child ....for their entire life
...... I don't think that's fair. ....I think the law.... should be ....there to protect women,
....and I think..... it's a total feminist issue......
.... And I'm enraged ....when I hear men... in government.... talk about it.

Vivian:

....Well, there's a lot of details ...about each side, ...you know, ....for example...
...., I could just bring up the fact,.... um, lots of people like.. for women,
....lots of people think ....it's the women's choice...., it is her body
..... No, I could always say.... OK, .....but there are ...so many people ....that wanna adopt children
..... but can't have children..... Why couldn't ....this person instead of get,
.....um, having the child o...r you know, ...and keeping it, ...
.....why don't ....they have it ....wait the 8 months.... or 10 months,
.... have the child.... and give it up... for adoption.... to the couples ...who really,
.... really want a child. ...But then,.... that person... can also argue,
.....hey,.... that 8 to 10 month...s that's a... whole year out of my life
..... that's changing my body ....and that really ....does change my life... in a sense.
....And so maybe.... I don't wanna partake.... in something.. like that.
.... And so that could be ...an argument there,.... and then here's another argument
....., a lot of people say
...(Bow: One at a time, one at a time
...) sure, ....ok,... but this is..., this kinda goes along ...with that.
.....What if the woman ....doesn't want.... that ...and the man,
..... there is always a man involved,... I mean,.... we always say.... it's the woman's body but,
.....is it the man's choices as well?.... And.... what if he does... want the child,
.....and the woman... doesn't. ...Let's attack this one.

Daisy:

....OK. I believe.... that if it's a man ....and a woman ....that are involved ....in a mutual loving relationship
.....and they're living together.... and they have the means... to have that child?
.... I believe ....in that case.... that the man ....has a fifty percent ' say.'.....
.....Um, if it was a casual one night affair,.... I don't think ...he has a choice,
...... he was simply sleeping .....with the woman ....and they were mutually.... using each other
.... if they..., if you like...., I don't think.... he has any say in.......
...... that woman ....because she had.... a one-night stand ....with him.... for nine months
..... she has to bear his child. ...That's absurd.
(Vivian: But you guys)

Luke:

.....But what if he's saying..... he wants to.... support it ....
....and he's willing to.... go through with it?..... It's up to... the woman... and to,... to consider
...... (Daisy: Yeah, it is up to her.)
...... But the man actually.... if he is a full a full, uh,
......like a full partner..... in the relationship..... has exactly 50%?
....(Daisy: I think that he does have same)
.....even though.... it is the woman's body 50%,... exactly that?
.....(Vivian: 50%? ....Would you ....like it to be 40?)
....(Vivian: I don't know...)

Luke:

.....What would you do?.... If it was 50%... you couldn't really dc)
anything?

Daisy:

......You have to.... take it to the court, ....in a court of the law.
..... (Bow: What should the law be?)
..... What should the law be?.... (Bow: Yeah.)
..... Well, ....i guess ...that they have to ..take.
.(Bow: What do you think?)
....What do I think?.... I guess..... every situation's gonna be.... different ...I mean... that's the thing,
....I mean, ....if the woman.... could possibly lose her entire career.
.....Say she's.... in a country like Korea ....where you know,
.... I mean, .....some women are discriminated against ...
.......if they're married.... and have children.... in the work place
....... Um,.... if it's going to discriminate against her career.... and she's got,
...... she's got a great future ....ahead of her..., then, y....ou know,
..... I think we should be ....more thinking ....about the woman.
..... If it's,..... if it's likely that.... she can have ....more children... in the future.

Luke:

....I'm surprised ....you gave the man ...50%, ...that's why I said it.

Luke:

...That's very generous.

Vivian:

...... I also take.... into consideration.... that we're kind of thinking ....more along the western side,
.... I don't know about.... Europe.... or up other countries,
.....but in America a woman.... has six months maternal leave.
....So you know,..... before she even shows ....she can take off ....and come back
.....after she's had the baby.... In Korea, ....apparently...., you don't have maternal leave,
..... you only ....I mean...., you can only leave... for one month,
...... I'm not even sure, .....but you certainly ....don't have six months.

Daisy:

.Two months.

Vivian:

....Two Months. ....Anyways but, ....either way,.... I mean, ....the situation..... is totally different ....that would put you
..(Daisy: Right)
..... totally put you bac....k if you were ...in a different country.

Daisy:

....It would, ....and I think .....that's something.... to take into consideration,
..... but even in our country, ...I mean even though ....it's more.... accepted
.....and there's a lot of people that,..... that generally .....do support ....pro-choice
...... You've gotta consider religion...... There are .....so many religious factions
....... In every country, ....and me... I grow up ....in a Catholic family.
.....If my father ....heard me talk like this,.... he'd probably... have a cow,
..... but these are my choices,.... but I'm not making my,.... my choice on, ...you know,...
..... a scientific fact or, ....or even a religious ....or emotional fact. ....
.....I see it as a necessity ....in our society.
..... And I do believe ....it's a feminist issue.

Luke:

..... Well..... That's the idea here too...... It's kind of ....in Korea ...or in Asia ...it's a catch 22,
...... because according to.... society ....you know.... you're not supposed to,
..... you're not supposed to ...fornicate..... But people do,
...... because it's a natural.... they wanna have sex,.... some you know, ...
.....some accidents happen, ....and they have a baby. ...
........But then they make abortion illegal. ....And you're not,.... and if you're pregnant ...out of wedlock,
.....then you're look down on... in society.
.....So, what are you supposed to do ....really in that case?
...(Vivian: Exactly)

Bow:
.....They set up things here, ....in these Confucian societies,.
... (Vivian: Sure)
...you have no choices really.

Daisy:

.....But,.... I do think ....it's become a little too common.... as Luke was... saying before,
.....there are ....some women out there.... that are using.... this as a form of contraception,
......which is just amoral ...you know,.... it's not acceptable.
.....And I think that ....we need to.... kind of get ....back to educating people ....that this is not ok and it's,
.....not.., apparently.... I was told.... by a doctor .....that it's not good f...or a woman.
.... The more a woman ....has an abortion,
..... the less chance ....she has... of falling pregnant again.

Vivian:

.....Right, and having a healthy baby too....., and it causes pro..., problems... for herself, too.

Daisy:

....Yeah..... So I think.... if we're gonna clamp down ....as a society ...on abortion.
.... Not saying it's wrong..... that women still have these choices,
.....but offer other al...
... (Vivian: Alternatives)
.....alternatives .......and opportunities ....for them.
..... OK. ....Say to the career woman.... Alright...
..... If you have ....this child these are.... the benefits.... that we can give you,
.....this is the help ....we can give you.... and finding the child a good home.
.... Um, ....You know ....with adoption ....and things like that.
..... Think about.... if the government wants to,... you know,
.....move away .....from so many people ....having abortion,
.....then offer other alternatives ....and options.

Vivian:

.....The, the options certainly do have to be there,
...... but also there is the moral ....aspect you know,
........which if you're doing it..... for contraceptive reasons
....or because.... it was an accident.... and you really weren't careful
.....or because you could have it, ....but you couldn't.
...... Anyways.... but we have to make t......hat moral issue....
....... much more of a stronger point .....in society now and also,
.....I mean, ....if you're doing it just.... you could have the baby
...... but I just don't want to .....and this was just an accident.
...... That should be like ....a public thing.... People would..,..
..... it should be .....like a standard thing..... that we think ....that is not right,
.... you know, ....I mean..... you should only do this,.... in the case of,
.... this is my personal opinion,..... but if you were raped or, .....in extreme circumstances,
....if you're very young, ....and it really was an accident, ...
......and you have ....no other options... left to you,
....I mean, ...then I think..... that should be... an option... for you.

Bow:

.....Um, this is kind of getting.... back to ....what we were talking about,
.....or I was talking about .....before ....with the titles of pro-choice.... or pro-life.
....But, um, .....have you seen the movie? ....What is it?.... If Walls Could Speak,..
..... it is all about abortion?
.... (Vivian: Yes...., If walls could talk)
..... well, if walls could talk, ....yes. ....And in Boston,.... there's a lot of um,... abortion clinics,
.... and there's a lot of ....pro-lifers.... who stand outside.
...... There was a guy ....that close to my house,.... an abortion clinic
.....that was close to ...my house ....and a guy .....went in there...
.... and killed one of the doctors. .....He's under the title pro-life ....
.....which is kind of a contradiction..... because he's taking a life
...(Daisy: Exactly)
....He trying to say, ....but his excuse.... is that ....I'm trying to .save... many lives... by taking one,
......But how does that work?.... you know,.... I don't understand that.

Vivian:

.....It's like..... a vigilante kind of instance,..... and he is kind of contradicting himself
..... but he's saying..... I.'ll save a majority versus one.
(Daisy: Right, so many babies)

Bow:

... I know.... what he's saying but, ....I mean,.... those women are gonna,
..... have gone through the decision..... The hard task of making a decision... to go there,
....are not gonna stop there.

Daisy:

....Right. ....What is fascinating to me is, ....that here,.... there is so much talk....
.... People's protesting outside abortion clinics today.
..... But abortion has been around.... for centuries, ....and it wasn't performed ...by a doctor,
.....it was, basically, ....you know, ...you know, ....you go to your local herb doctor... or witch doctor,
.... and you can,.... an abortion.... can be performed ....with simple herbs like ginger... and parsley.
..... And this has been ...going on... for centuries. ...The African,.... a lot of tribes in Africa, t
......hey believe,..... that it is solely up.... to the woman as the giver of life
.....and she is the representation of god..... and if she falls pregnant ....then it is her decision
.... whether she brings t...hat life forth. ....They believe.... that if that life.... is not wanted... then why should it be brought ...into the world,
..... it should .....brought into the world.... when it's loved.
.....And they've been using these herbs for,..... for uh, ....centuries...., to perform abortions,
.... so it's not a modern day issue..... It's not something, .
...you know, ....in other cultures it is accepted within their religions.
.... So you know,.... I, I've...., I kind of don't understand... why people are,...
..maybe ...because ...it's just public now..... I don't get it.

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Bow:

That makes it ....a very easy decision...... for the man
...... who had impregnated the woman
(Daisy: Right)
... in that culture.
(Daisy: Right)
.... If it's up to her...... OK. You do it, .....he doesn't have to pay.... for anything
......and he doesn't have to... have the guilt.

Daisy:

.......He doesn't .....have to.... go out .....and hunt goats.... or something.

Vivian:

.... OK, so I think ....the moral issue ....should be,..... really emphasized.
I mean.... first of all,...... men should...... take responsibility,
....it's not a hit.... and go kind of thing, .....you know, ....
.....you should ....stick around even..... if you weren't involved,
..... until the process.... is over,.... and through.... with whether.... it's carrying it out... to the end,
.....or watching it through..... until she has the baby...... And I should al..
....... always emphasize adoption being,..... you know, .....an option.
.(Daisy: An option.)
.....You know, ......if all else fails,..... hey, .....you know, ....
.....I honestly think .....if that would happen to me,...... adoption, ....you know,
...... I couldn't.... find other options ...for myself,
..... I would always consider adoption.... the last resort, ...you know.

Vivian:

Abortion, .....the last resort?

Daisy:

.....No. Adoption. ....I mean..... that should be something.... that's there.
.....You know, .....if I can't keep this baby ....or if we can't raise it together .....or something.
.....My parents.... couldn't raise it...... That should.... always be.

Luke:

....I do agree that, .....that bringing a child to term..... and seeking out that route,
..... is the noble thing to do,
(Vivian: Sure)
.....but I just don't think ......everybody is up to it. .....And if they're not up to it,... I mean,
(Vivian: Exactly)
.....If they are like way ....to stressed and.....
way to freaked out.... and they're going through this turmoil.
..... I think .....a lot of the formative .....stuff that goes into baby's ....character,
..... probably happens ....in the womb.... before it's even popped up.

Vivian:

......You know.... they're always talking about.... people ....who are raped ...or in,
you know, ....abused situations.... where it was a very tra...
(Luke: traumatic)
... traumatic event..... Event? ....Ok..... Incident, ....and so maybe..... they don't even want this at all.

Bow:

Not always though, .....a friend of my grandmother's, ....I remember this story,... when I was young,
she, uh,.... I met her. ....She had a really great personality,
.....I always thought ....of her as a funny lady..... She was travelling ....in the Philippines, a
.....nd was raped at, ...at night, ....she had no idea.... who was.... and she had the baby,
..... and I remember the kid...... And the kid was just like her, ....
.....she raised the kid. ....And the kid was very happy..... I believed it ...at that time,
....so it just depends on ....you know, ....who raises the kid..... I suppose
(Daisy: No, Yeah) ...

Vivian: .

....We're talking about..... the person themselves....not the baby too,
....I mean, .....it does depend ....on the person. ....You know, .....you could be... a very young girl,
.....and have been raped, ....I mean,..... this may be traumatic for you.
.....Not only that ....but there are..... also health reasons,
.....why like young children, .....if your body ....is not fully developed,
.....you cannot carry a baby t....o term....... It's dangerous ....to your body.
......And so a lot of doctors .....make that argument that,
.....you know, ......if your body has not .....come to age yet,
..... or it's not .....fully developed .....you're not.... up to.... bearing a baby yet.

Daisy:

.....Well,.... not just that, ....I mean, .....you know, .....I mean, ....you've got a 17-year-old kid
..... who's promiscuous.... and is pregnant, ....and you're going to..... leave it up to..... her to take care of her body ....for nine months?
....She could be drinking, .....(Vivian: Sure) .....she could be having more,
.... you know, ....sex...... She could be having, .....taking drugs ....she you never know.
..... But the point that Bow made about his....., the story about ....his grandmother ...I mean,
....in an ideal society. .....(Bow: Grandmother's friend.)..... Ah! Sorry..... In an ideal society,...
.... we'd all be doing that, ....but it's not an ideal society.
.....And it's up to ....us to provide other options .....or I think ....the only way .....we're gonna solve this problem is ....by educating our children.
... (Luke: Yeah).... Letting them know.... that of course yes, ....abortion exists.
....Because if we, ....if we make it illegal again ....we're gonna have women ....hurting themselves.
.... And there's gonna be.... butchers,..... you know in,.... uh, ...in abortion clinics.
.....You know,.... just cutting these women up ....and it is just gonna go back.
..... It'll be chaos..... (Bow: ....Knowledge is power) .....So. ...It is. So, ...let's treat our kid ....let's teach our kids,
.... um,..... so that this doesn't happen.... so we're not having... them pregnant,
..... they are not getting.... the diseases, .....and this doesn't become, ....even become an issue.

Luke:

.....They have to.... have all of the options available ....to them.
.....but it has to start .....at the very foundations ....of the education system again.
(Daisy: Yes, yes.).... It's like, ....and you have to, ....people have to impress of course.
..... I think it’s uh...., it's human nature you..... want to see if it's,
..... something like ....that happens, .....you wanna see it ....come to term,
....you wanna see a new life brought ....into the world. ....That's the human,
.....that's the basic..... fundamental ....human impulse..... It's like procreate.
.....That's the most beautiful thing. ....It doesn't work ....for everybody.
..... It doesn't,.... it doesn't end happily.... in every situation.
..... So for that reason.... I think it.... has to be an option.
..... But ultimately ....I disagree with, .....with doing it..... It's an,.... it's an,
.... (Daisy: Abortion).... it's a shitty thing.... that you have to go through
..... I'm sure..... I'll never experience it,.... but women.... I know ....who've done it, ...it's been like,
....you know, ....the hardest dec..,..... the hardest decision.... they've ever had to make ....to go actually through with it.

Daisy:
....

....But then,..... the problem is.... that today, ....you know,....
...... actually I have a friend..... in Australia .....and she's had five abortions.... and she's 28.
(Luke: Yeah) .....and she is using it ....as a form of contraception.
.....And she said .....I just had my fifth abortion.... when I last went home,
....and I said to her.... "Do you know ......like know ....about the pill,"
..... or you know .....other forms of contraception...... And she said,... yeah but if I...., if I take the pill,
....you know, ....I'm gonna gain weight, ....and this is just like,..... she's, ....
......just become .....such a superficial person....
......where she can.... check herself .....in her lunch break, ....break into an abortion clinic,
...... have an abortion, ....come out .....and go back to work.... and has no emotional attachment whatsoever.

Vivian:

.....See? In that situation, .....it is extreme.
(Vivian: Extreme .....and it's unexceptable,..... it's amoral,.... you know)
.....Well, obviously,.... we have a group of people here,.... that..,
.... you know .....we don't have any extreme people,
.....you know, .....we're not extremely..... pro-choice.... or pro-life.
....But .....how about we attack..... this question?
....We obviously are ....kind of pro-life..... but also pro-choice,
..... for the extreme .....pro-choice people ...of course... they wanna say...
, hey, ....from day one, ....from day one.... the child is alive ....and you can't kill it ....after that day.
.... Right? ....(Daisy: Pro-life people).... Right. ....So I mean.... where exactly ....in your opinion is,
.... does life begin? ....Because..... in America.... I think... for most states,
....you know, ....abortion is legal..... or not, ....uh,.... or illegal ....in states depending on,
....it's their decision. ...But, um, ...usually ....I think... it's two months... is the...
.... (Daisy: You can have an, ....you can have an abortion up to your ....first trimester)
....Right. ....Somewhere around there......
.... So in your personal opinions ....how far can you take it ....or you shouldn't ....take it at all?

Bow:

I already answered that ....earlier I said that I ....believe it's right.... from the beginning even
.....before the egg.... and the sperm meet..... It's life in,... everything.
...(Vivian: Do you think?) ....Yeah,... I believe that....
. (Vivian: You too..., Luke?.... How about you Daisy?)

Daisy:

....Yeah, ....well, ...you know, ....I believe that... I said that,
.... you know, ....shortly ....after conception.... I believe ...it's becoming a child,
....a baby, ...a human..... But I don't believe... that it's a life .....until it's connected
..... with the mother.... and mother.... has connected with it.
..... And I believe.... that ....when the woman makes.... that decision....
.... that I'm going to ....have this child ....and I'm going to.... love this child
..... or I'm going to carry this child, ....so it'll be loved.... by someone else.... then it's a life
....and then... it's a life.... that it's important.... It's important.

Luke:

.... It's becomes,.... I just think... it's a life... from the beginning
.....but as it becomes more complex,.... it's a trickier decision.
..... It's sorta like .....how you feel bad ...about like,
..... uh, killing a bird, ....but you don't feel bad about .....squashing a bug
...... It's all life,... you don't feel bad about... plucking a dandelion.
..... It's just higher things.... that we see as being ....more close to ....us are harder... for us to try to... snuff out.
..... And as a child develops ....and grows ...and becomes .....more like us ...with our own like genetic material.
...I think that's ....when it really starts... to become uh,... like you.

Vivian:

.....The reason .....why I ask this question.... is because,... sure....
.... when we look at it... that way it's,
....it's an,.... a simple answer, ....hey, ...you know,...
.... it's, ....it's life... from the beginning ..or what not.
.... But.... what if we made ....that situation ...more complicated,
....what if it was your daughter,... Bow, ...
....and she was raped.... by some stranger ..on the street and,
....listen,... listen,.... and she is only a teenager,...
..... she's young,.... she was raped, ......she doesn't know
....who the hell this person was,
..... you know,.... and.... what if she is.... put in that situation,...
..... what if she didn't know.... she was pregnant, ...hey?
.... Oh! And wait...., what if she's ....a lot of people, ....no,
.....a lot of people ....don't show until ....what they're third ....or fourth months.
....Am I right, ...Daisy?... I mean...., what if she found out ....after the first trimester,
..... after a certain point..... where a lot of people.... don't agree,
.....hey,.... after this point you shouldn't ....have it.
.....But what if the situation.... is totally .... she's too young,
....she's,.... you know,.... emotionally upset,..... and she cannot accept this.
.....What if she..... made the choice.... that she doesn't ....want it.
....How would you... feel about that?

Bow:

.....Now? (Vivian: Yeah) ....Well, ....that's the thing I'm the Dad of this person.
.... You're a woman..... What if it was you? ....What would you do? .
......I don't, ...I don't know... what I will do.

Vivian:

.... Yeah, OK..... What if it was your partner, ....
.....and what if it is your female counterpart.
.....Then it's your choice together, right?

Bow:
.
.....Yeah,... I don't know ....what I would do.
..... What would you do? ....If it was you?

Vivian:

....But see that's ....what I'm asking..... When you simply say, ....when is,
.....when does life begin,.... and how far can you take it,....
..... you guys earlier said... from day one.
.....But then when you complicate the situation.... you really can't give an answer.

Daisy:

....Well, you can..... Because.... the law says.... after your first trimester
....... you cannot legally have an abortion, ....and I,.... I would be pretty.., uh...

Vivian:

......But not in all.... countries.

Daisy:

....Well, ....almost all ....of them.

Vivian:

....But. ....Let's say that ....wasn't true,... that's,.... what it is the whole.

Daisy:

.....Say that wasn't true?

Vivian:

..... No, no, no...... I'm saying the... whole issue,
.....is they're still arguing ....where does life begin,
.... where does it end, .....whether to make this legal.... or not.
..... I mean..... that's ....what I'm asking.
...... If the situation..... was complicated like that.....
...... I mean,..... it was your own daughter, ......or your own mate
....., I mean,.... could you say?

Luke:

.....Once they hit elementary school,.... it's too late to abort.

Vivian:

.....Yeah, ...I think so too.

Daisy:

... Yeah, ......definitely.... I don't know, ....I mean.... that's a tough,
.....you know,.... I mean,..... that's basically .....the scientific evidence
..... that most pro-lifers ....are arguing with..... with pro-choicers.
..... And you know,.... I just,... the scientific information,
......for me it's more of uh,.... a spiritual thing.
.......I think ...that it is wrong .....to just use..... abortion as contraception.... which we've all said.
..... But.... I do believe .....that it is a connection...
...... that,...... that connection makes life, .....our connection ....with each other,
......our relationships.... with each other,
..... and my future relationship ....with my child..... when I have a child
..... I know ....I'm pregnant ...and ....when I accept that....
..... and I'm already loving ....that child ....and bringing it into life,
..... that's when the connection ....for me would be
...... And I think .....most women.... feel that way.

Luke:

.....And I think it's easy to.... talk about, ....talk about, ....
....you know,.... when you're in a vacuum ....and saying, ....this is the right thing,
....and I'm morally like this,..... and I believe in this thing.
.....But, uh, ...yeah,.... unless you have experienced.... all the emotions ....that come with it.
.....And the actual ....going through ...with it. ....Who knows... what you're gonna do?
....(Daisy: Exactly) ....I mean,.... you don't know ....what you think.
..... It's easy t....o like take ....this hypothetical situation,
.... (Daisy: Sure).... and say,.... well you know,..... after thinking through it and stuff,
.....and go through all this pedantic.... sort of B.S
...... But I mean yeah, ....doing it is,.... actually.... where you're gonna find your answer
..... and being put in ....that situation.... you can't rationalize that.

Bow:

......Well, that's why it is, .....what it is today..... Everything's messed up,.... because everybody,
.....not everybody has gone through it.....
...... So we have these opinions .....which we think..... this could be .....a basic foundation
......but people will still .....from now ....until the end of time.... they will still um,
.....keep talking about this,.... (Daisy: Sure)
.....and keep going through the same situations.... over and over again.
.....You just keep your opinions,.... you know,
.... like what you think .....and you try to do .....but you hope of course.... a situation like that
..... would not happen. .....But if it does arise.... then.... you try to deal with i....t as it comes.

Daisy:

.....Sure,.... that's fine. ....These people in the government
....(Luke: Speaking on your behalf of course)
..... are going to make decisions .....about my future.... and my body,...
.... and I wanna have a say in that...... I'm not impressed....
..... when conservative ....Rush Limbaugh ....or whoever else it..... happens to be... in government ....at the time.
......Would stand up there .....and tell me ....what rights ....I have as a woman,
.....and what ...I can do... with my body,.... I'm offended.

Bow:


......But there are.... also republican..... or conservative women.... in congress
..... who're voting.... for these laws too.

Daisy:

....Yes, there are. ....But they have a right ....to talk about that.
..... Because they are women, ...I accept that.
....But I don't,.... I, I,.... draw the line.... when I've got a bunch full of
.....white male conservatives .....discussing my future .....and other women's future.

Vivian:

....Right...... I agree with that, ....but I do believe, ....
....I'm sorry .....to go against all the females.... out there.
.....But I do believe.... they d....o have a word ...in there,..
..... because, ...um, ....a very small word. ....I'm not saying... a big word.

Luke:

.....I think for a woman.... in a situation .....where it wasn't uh,
.....a mutually .....mutual relationship ....this has happened,
.....an experience ....to people... I know.
.....Um,... not,.... not a close situation, ...
......all of a sudden a pregnancy.... came up.... unexpectedly ...the man was,
.....I want no part of this,..... and the woman was like .....and don't sweat it,
.... I don't want to.... make you a part of it. ...That's fine.... If you're,
.....if you're interested ....in pursuing it further ....than go ahead but,
......I'm choosing to go... go ahead .....with this anyway.
..... And I think .....the guy eventually sort of just came around ....to the idea.
..... He wanted to be ....a part of it... like she was gonna go through ....with it anyways.
..... She was like.... I'll find a way,... I\m really gonna do this,
...... I'm gonna go ahead .....and I'm gonna do it.
......And then she came, .....and then the guy was just sort of like uh,
...... she's doing it without me.
.....That's half my kid, man.

Bow:

.....Actually, ....you know, .....I think that happens.... in a lot of cases,....
...... um, ....one partner ....makes the decision ....and it's like....
...... somebody is waiting ....for the other one to say....., yes, we can do this.
...... And then once you get ....that consensus,.....
....... then ....you go ahead ....and then you find out .....what child rearing is,
......child bearing ....and child rearing ....and it turns out ....to be a very rewarding .....experience.
..... Exactly. ...Thank you.

Luke:

A rewarding experience.

Vivian:

...... I just wanna touch on..... what that just reminded me of...
.... was. What if the woman were to.... go ahead....
..... and consent to ....this and say ....that she..... wanted the baby
..... and there was the male ....who didn't ....want anything... to do with it.
..... Doesn't he have something to say,.... when he says....
..... I don't want my child being born...... What about.... that aspect of this story, no?

Bow,

.... Daisy: No.

Vivian: No?

Luke:

I don't think ...so,... I don't think.... I'd feel in a place.... that I've ever... tell a woman,
.....you have to ....take that child's life,.... if she felt, ....she felt,....
..... if she felt.... that she was ....good enough to do it ....and she was up... for the job,
..... no one else .....would be more qualified ...than her.

Vivian:

....OK..... Let's wrap up ....with maybe ...a comment.... from each of us.
..... How do you feel over all.... and maybe then, ....some thoughts?

Bow:
..
.... Um,..... I think Daisy...... brought up a really..... pertinent point.... which was,
.....which can kind of almost ....sum up everything.... which is that ....education is the key point.
.... (Vivian: Definitely)..... And,... uh,..... educate people,....
...... and let them know .....what's going on ...as much ....as you can,
....... put more money... into the schools.... for that purpose ...and uh...

Vivian:

.... And the parents ....should get involved, too..... It's not just schools,
(Luke: Talk to your kids, to your kids)
......don't make it ....just the schools' ....or governments' ...responsibility.

Daisy:

.... Hopefully, ....you know, ....if we are able to do that,.... if we are talking to our children
....., and we are teaching them.... in schools,
.......getting them as much.... information as possible,
......and trusting ....their judgment, .....maybe they won't even get.... to the situation
......where they'll have to.... think about abortion.
..... But, ...you know,.... we've got to do something.

Vivian:

......And sadly enough .....if you were.... put in that situation,
.... this is my personal opinion,... but I think.... each situation..... is different regardless
..... if it's pregnancy, ....or violence,... or what not.
.....You have to ....kind of take it.... for each circumstance
.......(Daisy: Right)
....on its own. ....We can't just ....judge everything.

Daisy:

....There is no.... black ...and white.

《听说大突破》里面隐藏的"弦":
练习结束以后看看正的文本，理解了就有了英语思维的冲动，一边看，一边想，一边想说的感觉就有了。
想说什么？想向文本那样的碎句子，那种边想边说的句子，那样的思维方式，你不能流利的说长句子，但是一定可以将长句子破开说这样的碎句子，说这样带有思维过程的句子，说这种依靠连接词连接短句子变成长句子的口语，你甚至只要看着连贯的任何书面语音的文章够能够象这个磁带的语气一样来说口语。
看看整个《听说大突破》反复就是那么几个用于连接思维过程的坏毛病、废话，原来这些是说口语的关键。实际上这些连接词，远远不如《你好美国》来的专业、系列和富有变化，特别是高级篇的变化更频繁。这样在听着磁带熟悉了口语结构的情况下，你就会就常在前面可以截住，产生不要说了，我来提你说的感觉。
特别是那些婆婆妈妈、翻翻答答的语言，说了好多才说清楚一个意思，所以尽管语言说话速度很快，但是远远不如思维的速度更快，而且一个意思用很多表达方式的单词词组短语来表达，所以只要适应了这种说话方式，对方也没有不能理解的，所以着才使得中间经常发生他人插嘴的情节，这样就容易交流了，目的也就达到了。
好了，说口语就将书面语言分拆成碎句子，而理解这些碎句子反而是连接成长句子，过滤掉其中的废话，变成书面语言。这样书面语言和口语之间就可以任意进行变换了。