sunyuting1 2008-07-13 07:17
练习《听说大突破》方法过程体会小结：
练习第一遍《听说大突破》用了4天时间，基本语音、文本和理解，说明压码听懂练习法，可以解决此类高难度专题讨论的快速练习问题。实际上是将高难度语音转变为一般难度的语音问题。开始快速练习就象浏览英语一样，对整个语音有一个整体理解记忆。
练习《听说大突破》第二遍结束了，用了一个月时间，基本与预期时间接近。练习向深度理解记忆发展，更注重了英语细节的理解记忆，注重了专题语音向相关英语的报纸的拓展训练。
我们回忆一下练习的过程：
1、整理文本采用回车键快速练习，快速将语音停顿和文本回行相接合，将1-6个磁带语音分解成24个分拆语音，四天就练习了一遍，消除英语的障碍，属于浏览练习的简单练习压码听懂练习，解决了压码听写、压码注音、压码跟读、压码听看读《听说大突破》的速度难度、长度难度和文本语音不同步、多语音干扰话的高难度语音向简单语音过渡练习的问题，经过整理文本，《听说大突破》语音就可以变成和《你好美国》语音一样难度的语音，其他遇到难度较大的语音都可以采取同样的措施，一个 小时即可化难为简；
2、整理文本采用“。”键慢速练习，将语音的句子整理在以行中，而将句子中的停顿采用。。。。省略号在一行中进行分割，便于复习语音阅读理解完整的句子；
4、整理文本采用语音频谱图相同的大句子停顿间隔练习，将整理过的文本可以复制到英文通软件上进行，可以保证甃是看到语音音频图和整理文本在一个画面里进行压码听语音、看文本、看音频图结合练习，便于看频谱图记忆文本，而其他的整理文本方式不能解决集合在一个画面压码听看读的问题；
5、整理文本采用在原来文本中修改原文错误文本练习，一边听语音，一边将语音和文本原文不同的地方纠正过来，因为多人对话语音，既有每人的反复重复的碎句子，又又多人同时枪话题的相互干扰，听写这样的语音难度很大，用原作者郑赞容老师的听写的文本，听语音、看文本很容易跟丢，其实听写改错很简单，只要将每个句子的错误主要是重复语音丢掉的语音文本一边听语音，看文本，快速压码打字就可以解决，全部的错误大约有6000多处，目前改错还不够全面，基本是一个语音改2遍，基本不影响文本阅读为止；
6、重点练习了压码听懂练习的心念阅读理解、记忆练习，心念压码抄写阅读、心念压码注音的音节字头字母，方法很简单：就是看一个文本的句子，采用慢速心念回想，腹部用力呼气的方法阅读，阅读的语音慢速慢到和心念压码抄写同步的速度，一个句子练习以后压码回想一遍用语检验理解记忆，心念压码注音只是将心念手中按压书写减少到每个句子音节的字母就可以了，开始练习用手写在手心里面进行位置不懂画动，熟练了将画动变为按压靠意念记忆单词和语音；
7、压码听写心念练习，可以在听语音时闭眼心念压码听写语音文本和闭眼压码心念注音练习，这样将理解记忆语音、文本和意思结合起来练习，便于闭眼回忆文本或者场景的图象，放松听语音不看文本练习可以任意实现音、形、意之间的转化，进入压码状态可以使每个语音练习不同的时候大脑浮现不同的场景图象，加深相关场景的图象变化联想能力，重点练习了《宗教和哲学》的语音内容，一遍练习看到的图象一个样，深度不断加深理解记忆，使听懂语音不再局限到文本字面意思，而不断深入到相关理论的经典文章；
8、有压码听懂引伸到压码读报纸，利用闭眼心念压码听写、闭眼压码注音、闭眼压码浮现场景的图象线索，进行网站相关内容的搜索阅读，对一个语音专题不断深化理解，层层深入，压码的听懂过程中，加入压码读报纸练习整理到论坛，由于压码听懂理解记忆练习《听说大突破》可以将书面语音分解为碎句子，所以看着书面语言的网站相关专题文章，就可以自己组织语言进行专题口语讨论练习；
9、随着练习听说大突破的深入练习，解决了听懂理解记忆和书面语言转化为碎句子的口语方式，这时可以练习压码法的中文方法文章，看这中文压码听清后怎样练习压码听懂的方法快速大量说口语练习，这不是中文翻译英文练习，而是压码听懂的口语复述练习，因为采用实际说口语的碎句子，重复句子，一个句子不同说法的练习，是对实际应用听说大突破的口语成果检验练习，压码法的中文起到英语思维的引导的作用。
sunyuting1 2008-07-13 07:41
《听说大突破》练习可以采取循环练习的办法，继续练习第三遍，而且不断重复练习下去，不断巩固练习成果，不断深化练习，学员学习到这时就可以对专题讨论，通过网站进行英语口语讨论练习，方法很简单：打开练习的相关专题的网站，看着网站英文，转换成碎句子口语，将理解的英文书面语言转换成口语对话练习。
一个语音的快速练习：
将前面几个简单练习方法串起来即可。相当于听说大突破的纵向法压码听懂练习。
第一步：听语音、看文本整理文本练习。
先整理短句子基本词组采用1的方法，按回车整理；再整理句子的间隔，采取2的方法，按。。。。省略号键分拆基本词组在句子内部；整理文本按频谱图间隔的长句子整理来分段；按磁带语音修改文本的错误。
整理文本后，反复听语音、看文本压码理解记忆。
第二步：听语音，不看文本理解记忆语音的文本练习。
先看语音频谱图练习压码听语音，可以练习心念压码听写语音的文本、心念压码注音，可以压码跟读，可以利用整理文本休息的方式进行。
第三步：压码阅读，看文本、不听语音练习心念压码抄写、心念压码注音。
压码听懂《听说大突破》的目标：学会只用压码听懂的三个基本步骤，将其他压码法都融入到一个压码听懂练习方法中，不用单一的压码直通车方法，做到理解并记忆，记住语音、记住文本、记住意思，三者同步到语音、文本中，实现压码听看读同步练习，实现压码理解和说口语的突破。
sunyuting1 2008-07-14 05:18
1.Love and Marriage1的14分47秒语音对应的文本
1. Love and Marriage
SIDE A
Hello, We're here gathered together
in holy matrimony,
no actually we're here to talk about that
sacred thing that we call marriage
or living together.
Vivian:
Um, Let's all introduce ourselves.
Daisy:
O.K. Well I'm Daisy,
and I'm married
and I'm on the verge of divorce.
Bow:
Hi, everybody, my name is Bow,
and I'm married
and I think the institution of marriage
is just great.
Luke:
Um, my name is Luke,
um I'm still looking
for that special someone
to make all my dreams come true.
Vivian:
Hey. I think, I'm Viv,
and I think legal is regal
but I don't need it so
I have a perfectly happy relationship
with someone
and we don't plan to get married any time soon
and perhaps never.
Luke:
That was cool, those rhyme??
I wish I had thought of that.
Vivian:
Anyways let's continue on.
Vivian:
I'm sure each person agrees
that everyone is made a little bit differently,
uh... some people may be suitable
for them and some may not be.
And you may find the right companion for you,
during your life time.
And others find that
they may choose to go another path
now I'd be curious to find out
how you feel about
the companion in a marriage you know..,
or children.., whatever. Go ahead, urn, Luke?
Luke:
Well, I don't know,
maybe I'm a bit of an optimist or something.
But I think I haven't find her yet,
but I believe that,
there is a girl out there,
that is just 100% compatible with me.
Like the 100% perfect girl for me,
and I just got to go out there
and I got to see the world until I find her.
And then totally I'm just gonna spend the rest of my life with her
and there is no questions asked,
um it will be, I'll know it when it's the time
and it's gonna be great
and I'm not gonna have to worry about anything..,
and I'm gonna set myself up with a little piece of farm land
and I'm just gonna make babies
for the rest of my life.
Daisy:
The three kids in the three bedroom house the whole deal.
Luke:
Well, yeah to a degree.
I just wanna drop-out,
you know I wanna work hard now
then I wanna drop by the society,
I don't wanna be part of this rat
i race anymore
but I mean, I've got to stay interested in it,
I've got to stay in the game
and the only way you can do that,
is just by being in love with someone who.
I'm 100% on the level
with and totally together with.
And I have faith that I'll find her,
hopefully soon.
Vivian:
But what makes you feel that?
Well I mean not that you won't find her
but I'm saying
why do you feel the drive
or the need to find a companion in your life?
And what makes you think that, that would be so nice?
(Daisy: Where's the feeling?)
Luke:
It's kind of empty without it, isn't it?
I mean your whole world
is made up of all these like individuals
going around trying to
find something in common with..,
as many other people as possible.
And just trying to like make a connection,
but a whole bunch of really superficial connections like,...
I don't know.., like what're your hobbies,
what's your job,
people join clubs to find people
and so they can talk about similar things
and so they can sort of have a common ground
to start a relationship with.
Vivian:
So (Daisy: Romantic.) you don't think that,
you don't think that, there would be any reason or way,
I mean do you think that this will be your lifetime partner?
What about divorce?
You don't see that in the picture?
I mean, do you think that, by chance,
you might end up with the wrong partner?
And do you believe in perhaps remarriage
or finding a second companion you weren't compatible.
Luke:
No, I don't believe that at all,
I think, everything that's been leading up to, urn,
in my whole life in the relationships I've made
with members of the opposite sex romantically,
there's always been something missing,
there's something that is not quite there,
it doesn't click on some level,
and you have this initial attraction maybe,
but then as you find out more about each other,
eventually you become a little bit,
the passion fades and stuff,
and you don't become that,
and you're not into them anymore.
But I think that it is possible
to just click with somebody so well,
and you just realize you just go on and go on,
the attraction just gets better and better
because as you discovering things about them
you realize how much they have in common with you,
but it's a very rare thing,
I mean I don't think everybody necessarily even finds it in their life..,
but I think that that is something we can strive for.
The dating process is just like auditions
you're just learning about people
and then someone gets the parts,
someone you cast in the leading role in your life.
Daisy:
So you're determine to like
search out that person
and until you find that person you're satisfied
with being alone or, or like maybe dating or,...
Luke:
I'm happy dating and stuff,
but I don't do it just for the sake of doing
and like I definitely have an ulterior motive that's,
I wanna find that person,
it's a, it's a ...there's a definitely I mean to,
I mean I'm trying to have fun in the meantime,
but there's that emptiness there,
that's, that's just, you know,
by playing the field I just don't get that,
that support I need.
Vivian:
Ah So you're a sensitive guy,
and you're looking for that Mrs right.
Luke:
No, well, if you wanna put it in Dear Abbey terms,
yeah I guess so
Vivian:
Ok. Well, let's move on to Bow then. Bow,
you're in a very stable marriage with three kids.
I mean, you're happy where you are?
Bow:
I'm extremely happy.
It's probably the best decision
I've ever made in my life,
and I totally see where...
Luke is coming from,
I mean being my brother
and all we are pretty much,
you know, sensitive guys, so ...
um ... yeah. I went through the same thing as him
and ...it's tough in the beginning,
I mean it's hard to find that Mrs. Right,
but if you just keep looking
and your compassionate about it,
you do find her and you do,..,
and the institution of marriage
is just the ultimate thing for a man.
It's just great,
it's the fusion of not just your bodies
but also your souls, you're soul mates.
Daisy:
And what made Mary Lou so right for you, Bow?
Bow:
It must have been, like,
she just had twinkle in her eye.
I could see deep into her soul,
like I just knew that
her soul and my soul were like two souls that,
we're made for each other.
Vivian:
One soul.
Luke:
You lucky dog.
See that's what I want see that's
what I want to look at that I'm just like, that's it, man.
Bow:
You can get there.
You will someday, man.
Daisy:
Right, well, see, you know,
I'm kind of in the opposite situation from you guys,
because, uh... well, what can I say,
I was looking,
I thought for exactly the same things,
and I thought I'd found Mr. Right,
and we've been married now for five years.
And we've... I really,
I have to admit I've tried.
I really have tried, I put in the time.
Vivian:
Did you love him when you first married him?
And up to what point did you think that you loved him.
I mean do you still love him?
Luke:
When did it fade, when did it change?
Vivian:
And why?
Daisy:
Oh, well, I don't know,
I cannot put this into words.
Let me see, well, for me, yes, I did love him.
I was both in love and in lust with him,
when I met him.
Vivian:
And did he love you too,
I mean, was it a mutual thing,
you really had that love,
I mean... Luke There,
That's the only way it works.
Daisy:
I think so, I think, I really think that he did feel that way,
you know, the thing is it that,
it's really easy to be idealistic,
and when you're in the white dress in your,
you have this wonderful guy
who's proposing to you. And,
and your, there's the whole Cinderella,
you know fairy tale ideal that's behind a wedding.
And um, here I was walking down the aisle thinking that
everything was gonna be wonderful,
we were gonna have the three kids the house and the dog,
and the B.M.W. in the drive way.
And um, all of a sudden we had the house,
and ok we didn't have children but..,
there was something missing.
And we... I think we started this on just an ideal
and we weren't prepared
for the realities of marriage.
It's much more than those ideals.
Luke:
Well, it's nothing,
but it's nothing that's insurmountable,
it's not anything
that you can't overcome
with communication,
and genuine concern
for the other person's well-being.
Daisy:
Yeah, but the thing is where I'm at now,
Luke is, I really, I don't know,
if I can go on anymore, I mean,
I think we've passed the point,
maybe we should have been doing
that communicating way back before,
and now I'm in this situation where,
I don't really wanna be with him,
do I love him?
I love him in the sense
that I care about him,
because I've been with him
for a long time,
I don't want anything bad happen to him.
I wanna be able to help him as a friend if possible,
but I'm certainly not in lust with him,
and here's the thing
I'm at this point in my marriage
where I wanna be with other people.
I, basically I wanna go out,
and I want to be with other people.
Bow:
Oh, that's a shame.
Vivian:
What about, if you're in the circumstance,
I mean, what if your situation involved children?
I mean, would you still think of ending the relationship, I mean..,
what about children?
Daisy:
Yes, that's, well,
all I can say is that
I'm thankful that I don't.
But you know, I think that would make it much more difficult,
but in today's day
and age maybe we could have a relationship
where I have the kids one week
and they have the kids the other week.
Vivian:
So, is that what you gonna do with your poodle?
Daisy:
Well, Yes, I mean that's another thing.
I don't know what I'm gonna do with the dog either. But...
Luke:
The dog is just a superficial thing..,
that's just some sort of thing
that you were using as some kind of glue
to keep yourselves together.
I think you should give it another chance,
I mean, you've got this person,
you've obviously made it this far,
well, what you need to do is bring it to the next level.
You need to have a child,
you need to make,
need to make an another commitment,
I mean, life is just a series of commitments,
(Daisy: But, the what about...)
You got to go deeper and deeper and keep challenging yourself
and then ... it's too easy,
people just throw things out
when they don't work out
(Vivian: No.)
and it's too easy.
You've got to start seeing things through.
I think, well, that's, that's your prerogative,
but I think that people have to continue
to challenge themselves
and to continue to commit themselves to things
and then they realize only down the road,
I've made these commitments,
"Oh my, God, I've had a very rich
and fulfilling and beautiful life.
And a child would be the thing
that you need right now,
to get yourselves back on the same track,
to get yourselves together
and to get back on that horse and,
go out there and
have a beautiful loving relationship again.
Bow:
I totally agree.
Vivian:
Well, I totally don't,
I don't think Daisy has to go back to,
I mean, to find another commitment
to hold her in there,
to string her into this relationship.
I mean, she wants to find freedom,
she wants to go find another soul mate,
let her be.
Why should she be tied down?
Daisy:
Well, It wasn't necessarily a soul mate.
It was just kind of um... mates.
Bow:
Was it a one night stand?
Daisy:
Yeah.
Bow:
And turned into a marriage?
Daisy:
No, no, no, no, I was talking about
when I get a divorce.
I wasn't looking for other soul mates, just mates.
Luke:
I bet you're looking for just like sexual partners.
Daisy:
Well, at the moment, yes.
Luke:
Well, you can't do it like that,
I mean this is what I've been doing,
this is the dilemma I have.
I'm empty, I'm like a,
I'm just like an empty vessel floating through the sea,
because I don't have that anchor to hold me to anything.
Daisy:
Well, you know,
we are just basically extremes on one scale,
aren't we, Luke?
Luke:
Well, I guess so,
but I just would say from my position,
I mean the grass can look always greener
from where you're sitting,
but I mean, it isn't always necessarily so,
and I think that you think
you'll gain all this freedom and stuff,
but you're losing a whole lot of really important things.
Daisy:
Well, Toucher,
You might come over to my green grass,
and not find it so green.
Luke:
Well, Yeah. but I haven't experienced
what you've experienced, yet.
I never had that,
that happy unity with one other person.
And stuck it out for five years.
I've never been able to do that.
Bow:
But I have, and I agree with Luke.
I think that instead of looking for
other sexual escapade,
you should be looking for
the new partner in your life,
your soul mate.
I mean it's.., there's nothing like
having this like mutual respect
for one each other,
it's like a, let me give you an example like I work,
you know a little bit..,
like after seven o'clock sometimes,
and you know, I might wanna go out
and have a couple of beers with, my,
my colleagues so,
you know, I'll be back by ten,
and I call my,
my wife and I say
"Darling, I'm gonna be a little late maybe about 10: 30"
and she's like "Darling, no problem".
Luke:
That's beautiful.
Bow:
I mean that's, that's mutual respect.
Luke:
Yes, that's beautiful,
and I mean, that's, what it's all about,
it's not like you've got an albatross
around your neck anything.
It's liberating,
I think, I think once you find it,
you realize that you have a
whole different realm of freedom
that you weren't even aware existed.
(Bow: Totally)
Freedom to be yourself,
freedom to like fully give of yourself
to another person.
That's true freedom,
that's true freedom.
Daisy:
Well sure, it's freedom for you guys
who work and get to go out,
and lead good lives,
while your wife is at home cooking and, cleaning,
and she has no,
you know, personal satisfaction.
Luke:
I'll stay at home.
I'd love to stay at home.
Bow:
Um, Well me, personally,
I mean, I have my own chores every day,
we share the responsibilities of the house.
I do laundry, I wash dishes,
and I'm, you know I'll come home beat dead from work,
at like nine or something,
I mean, really late,
I'd go to bed by like ten. But,
I mean, my wife is watching the baby all day,
and she might have like corns
and calices on her feet,
they might stink but,
I'll still massage them,
until my finger's almost bleed.
And, I mean, that's what marriage is about.
Daisy:
Well I don't know many guys like you, two.
Vivian:
And I certainly don't.
Daisy:
And I don't think there are a lot of men
that are willing to do that.
Vivian:
Willing to sacrifice, yeah.
Luke:
They're everywhere,
men just are, just looking for the excuse,
they have all this,
macho posturing
and stuff that they just wanna go out and,
and meet a lot a chicks,
bust that's all a ruse.
It's just because they're insecure ...
Daisy:
And you don't wanna have sex with other women?
Vivian:
Oh, but he does.
He's saying he is experimenting
until he finds that right one.
Luke:
But the sex isn't just an incidental.
I'm not doing it,
I'm not doing it in pursuit of sex,
I'm not, I'm looking for someone who,
who I'm compatible with sexually
but also emotionally,
and like (psycho...) intellectually.
Daisy:
Well, then why is it wrong for me to go out and have,
um and play the field
and have sex with other people
and find my soul mate?
Luke:
I'm not saying it's wrong,
I'm just saying, I'm just saying that you made this decision
and there's a certain sanctity to marriage,
but I think that, that it's sacred,
and you have to uphold it no matter what,
no matter what life throws at you,
you've made this decision,
and you didn't do it,
just because it was a fluke,
I don't believe any marriages happen by accident.
I think that if you're gonna go that far,
it's magic, and you know its magic,
and you know it's gonna work out, yeah.
sunyuting1 2008-07-14 06:34
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Vivian:
Well, see, but she doesn't feel it,
she doesn't know that it's magic.
She doesn't feel it at all.
.Luke:
But, at that time, she did.
She's just lost something
that used to just be there,
and she just has to rekindle that again.
It's still there,
(Daisy: But it's gone.)
it's doesn't just go away you don't.
People just don't like have something and it disappears.
(Vivian: What if she's mistaken?)
I mean, well, that she must have mistaken, well, then ...
(Vivian: In the last it all?)
I don't think she did.
I don't think she did.
I don't think that people make mistake like that.
When it comes to matters of the heart,
I think you know,
you know right off the bat.
Matters of the heart,
you can be wrong about math equations,
and you can be wrong about,
like your positions on things
or like on historical facts.
But on matters of the heart you're always right.
You can't, I mean intuition is everything.
Daisy:
Like Michael Jackson
and Lisa Mary Presley,
(Michael, Yeah, Lisa Mary)
or Dennis Rodman
and or Carmen Electra.
Luke:
I don't know these people,
but I think if they were gonna make the big plunge,
they were gonna go out and get married,
and make these huge commitment
to each other as this united whole.
Two candles becoming one,you know.
I think that something was there that is still there,
it's just that the thing
that made it work has gone,
it's dormant now.
And it's a matter of trying to find it again
and bring it back up,
(Vivian: O.K.)
and I think anything is, like,
just.., can be overcome.
Any kind of conflicts you had,
if you're in the bond of marriage,
and you had the idea in the first place,
(Daisy: Oh that’s a little naive, Luke.)
it's real, it's real, no, it's real.
Vivian:
How, how about not trying to rekindle that fire,
but, just say,
"Hey, the flame is gone,
and it's died out,
and you're never gonna find it again,
so why not go and try to,
come to a mutual understanding,
and say "Hey,
let's go and find another companion,
or just find happiness in our lives"
Luke:
Well, I think that's a very defeatist attitude,
(Vivian: Why is it defeatist?)
I think, I think it creates a very dangerous pattern
for the rest of your life.
If something, if something just doesn't work out,
like you kind of get a thrill off it
and then it's starts going on,
and all of sudden,
it doesn't have the same,
the same kick it used to have and it doesn't,
there's a diminished return you're getting from it,
you don't just give up from it and walk away,
I mean, what are you gonna walk away
from your whole life,
you gotta, you gotta, sometimes you've got to put yourself on the line,
and this is one of those things
where you have to do that.
Daisy:
O.K. alright, O.K. Luke, well, Here's Sally and Ben,
and, Sally and Ben,
they grew up in high school together,
and they had a wonderful relationship
and they did that whole fairy tale wedding and
they thought they were very happy,
and well, somewhere along the line,
Ben, kind of got a little bit violent,
and he would beat Sally and beat the children and
Sally tried to get him help but,
he wouldn't get him help,
and then Sally said,
"well, you know, but this is the dream of our marriage?
Should I stay here?
And what about children?
And there comes a point,
don't you think when a woman in a situation like that,
should leave?
Luke:
Well, you left a part out there,
because, you just said,
all of a sudden,
he just started beating them up?
What changed?
Like what did she do,
what is, how did she change
that made him start beating them up,
like, I mean obviously
(Bow: Exactly)
there was, something there and it shifted
and the situation was made different,
that caused the man to start to becoming violent.
(Vivian: That is)
I mean, he didn't have that in high school,
I mean, I hope if he was doing that in high school,
she didn't like it.
I assume she doesn't.
Daisy:
Well, some people,
some people have violent tendencies
and they don't manifest them
until later life,
and perhaps he's just manifested them,
maybe it was Ben's fault,
and not Sally's fault.
Luke:
Well, maybe, but, I mean, obviously not,
he just didn't wake up and did
(Daisy: You're attacking women,
that's what you're doing)
no I'm not, no I'm not,
(Daisy: You are)
, I'm not at all,
I'm just saying that obviously something changed
in the situation and,
maybe it was within Ben,
like maybe it was frustration
with his job
or something like that.
(Vivian: Exactly, maybe it was with him)
I'm not saying that,
and I guess in that situation,
yeah, I mean, it makes it a lot harder,
but I still think it's overcomeable,
I think that if he could just,
if he just could take the fighting element out..,
that in him hitting them,
then it would be a good marriage again, right.
Bow:
Well, she could learn to fight back a little bit,
you know.
Luke:
Sure.
Bow:
Defend herself a little bit.
Luke:
Well, that might escalate things.
Maybe that's not good.
I, I don't think violence in a marriage is really gonna...
Bow:
But then maybe he could see her as his equal again,
and then get on with things.
Luke:
Possibly, possibly.
Daisy:
Well, What about, O.K. Mr. Love,
please tell me then,
what I'm gonna do.
Here I am living with this guy,
and I well obviously have,
well I'm married to him,
and I, obviously have some problems with him,
but my thing is,
is that the I've met another man at work,
and I'm very attracted to him?
And I'd like to have sexual relations with him.
Now how do I stop myself from doing that?
Luke:
Well, see, you've already created the pattern
for yourself though,
cause if you had the same feelings for this guy
that you did for your husband,
is it gonna, is gonna lead to,
is gonna go down the same way?
Daisy:
I don't want to get married again.
Luke:
Well... well.., why?
Bow:
Why, the marriage is...
Luke:
You have to. I mean,
If it's the right thing,
if you feel that kind of attraction to him,
you have to,
you have to like consummate it.
Vivian:
You can't have,
oh consummate it with sex?
You can't have a sexual relationship
with someone without being married?
Daisy:
You're doing that, man?
Luke:
Of course, I am, but,
I'm just doing it to discover about people,
I'm trying to get at their inner souls.
Daisy:
And you can only do that
because you're a man,
we can't.
Cause we're female?
Luke:
I'm not saying that?
Bow:
It's not as good,
I mean having sexual relations with, just a,
you know, a person that you meet in a bar or something,
it means nothing.
It's 2- dimensional,
it doesn't it matter
how sexy they are?
Vivian:
O.K. Daisy? Just you know, tell him..,
let's meet at the bar
and meet him all you want,
and do whatever you want with him.
Bow:
I mean, the thing...
Daisy:
Well, yeah, you know there's a certain animal,
kind of instinct,
in humans,
and maybe sometimes sex
for the sake of sex is OK too,
why does sex always have to be a flop?
Why can't I fulfill my, my pure
(Vivian: Animal magnetism)
physical desires?
Bow:
Because, you are married.
Daisy:
Okay. Well, if I get a divorce,
and I'm not gonna be married any more.
Luke:
Yeah, O.K. well, then go ahead and get a divorce,
but well, I mean it's your life,
I mean, you screwed up your life.
Bow:
Totally, I mean...you're gonna...
Vivian:
Why is it that screwing up her life?
Why does divorce have to ruin your life?
Luke:
Because she's turning her back on the greatest thing
that's ever happened to her.
That's why.
Bow:
The institution of marriage.
Luke:
Exactly.
Daisy:
Have you met my husband? No.
Luke:
No, I have not.
Daisy:
Yes, so, I don't think you're qualified to speak about it, Mr. Love.
Luke:
Well, obviously, he must have something going from,
because you married him
and you've lived with him for five years.
Daisy:
Yes, but that has gone.
I'm not in love with this person anymore;
I want to have sex with other people.
Vivian:
It was a mistake, she said.
Bow:
Or maybe, you know,
you just weren't trying hard enough,
you have to spice up your marriage like,
you have to bring some toys into the bedroom,
spice it up, you know...whips and...
Daisy:
No, spice it up by bearing another child
so that you're completely
and forever eternally committed to that relationship?
Bow:
That's my brother Luke's idea,
you know, he, he's not married yet,
he doesn't know, but I am. I have experience,
and yes of course you know,
we have our troubles every once in a while, but...
Daisy:
He's just wants free sex like you, O.K.
Bow:
That's not true.
Luke:
That's not true.
Vivian:
Don't get so defensive!
Luke:
I wanna... I'm looking for a committed relationship,
and I tell this to girls up front
before I sleep with them,
and that I'm looking for something serious,
but, sometimes, it just doesn't click.
Daisy:
I wanna hear about the toys.
Vivian:
I say, that's a line.
Bow:
I mean, the masks and specials
I have order catalogs from Japan,
which are really great,
it... I mean, I spent a lot of money on batteries a month?
But it's totally worth it.
I mean, when you have an altercation,
and all it takes is a double dong-dildo to rectify it,
it's a... I mean, it's no problem,
I don't see anything wrong with that,
and you know, it's the thing with the people
today they're so easy like a,
my brother was saying,
to just, you know, to throw away a marriage.
But urn, for this,
you're talking about going out and having sex,
because you love sex...
Daisy:
Well, would you to be willing to if your wife said to you
"O.K. I love you,
but I wanna be with another person,
to be involved with us."
Vivian:
All I want to be is sexually satisfied by,
not a dildo,
but by the real thing.
Bow:
If that's what it would take
to keep the fire in our marriage alive,
then yes I would.
Vivian:
You would let another man,
if your wife said you
"No, I want another man to satisfy me,
I want to open our marriage,
and take in new sexual partners"
you would do that for your wife?
Bow:
Yes, I would.
Vivian:
Even though, that's like kind of breaking your marriage,
vows. That's... I mean,
that's just as good as going out and have an affair.
Bow:
Well, that depends on
what kind of religion you have,
or what kind of standards, and...
Vivian:
But, you guys are talking about
the sanctity of marriage
and the vows and not breaking them..,
and how you should be forever committed to each other.
Bow:
Exactly, which means that..,
we'll do anything it takes to keep that alive.
Daisy:
But, thus, do you really,
can you sit here and honestly look me in the eye,
Bow, and tell me.
Vivian:
Look at her in the eye!
Daisy:
And tell me,
(Vivian: Don't roll your eyes!)
you could watch another man having relations with Mary lou?
Bow:
I mean, if, if, what it took was for,
if she, if she asked.
Vivian:
Don't break down on this.
Bow:
If she asked me,
you know, to have some sort of deviant relationship in bed,
that's,...that's what I had to do,
that's what I have to do!
Vivian:
But I just asked you,
what about the sacred vows of your marriage
that you supposedly uphold so highly.
Luke:
But I mean, if it's something that your partner wants,
I don't think you have to be limited
by the traditional ideas of marriage,
of course, we're living in changing times.
And people have different needs
and different things that turn them on and stuff,
and I mean there's room within a marriage
to change some of those standard perceptions,
I mean I think, um, I think it's important that people,
that people find and make their own definitions of marriage.
I think it's important that they,
that they, just, that they seek out what's best for them,
and within a marriage no one can touch that,
that's just you and your partner,
make it work however it has to,
however it has to happen.
Vivian:
So, why can't the same apply for Daisy,
or I mean what if her,
her husband came to a mutual agreement
that their marriage isn't going to go anywhere,
from here. I mean, that they mutually agree
that this is the point where,
you know that they're going to.
Bow:
That's exactly what we're saying.
We want her to try something
before she gives up on her marriage.
Vivian:
Not, not give up.
I'm not saying try.
I'm saying they both agree
that they're gonna
both go their own ways,
and that they have tried.
Luke:
I'm just saying that's a dangerous pattern to get into.
I think once you've made that...
Vivian:
Who says it's a pattern?
Doing it once ...
doing it once isn't,
it's not like you're gonna divorce a hundred times in your life.
Luke:
But you might get married.
If you get married a hundred times
what's to stop you from divorcing?
Daisy:
No, well, No, I don't want to get married again.
You know, everybody doesn't have to speak for me.
I don't wanna get married again.
And the thing is I think it's probably innately human
for us to want to have more than one partner,
and if I married a man
that can not fulfill my needs,
and then why should take the responsibility
and onus all by myself,
to fix that.
Luke:
But, people. Its works better,
if you would just stay with one person,
that works better.
Vivian:
Why do you have to be with one person,
I never wanna get married I'm perfectly satisfied living my own life,
and you know, you can perfectly,
have a partner,
and not get married,
you can live the rest of your life with one partner,
why must you get married?
Is it some inevitable thing that you have to cross?
Daisy:
Sure, and even if she doesn't want to get married,
I mean, if she chooses to have a single life.
Vivian:
And be faithful to him.
Daisy:
Or not even have a partner,
or not even have a partner,
in today's society,
there are several options if she wanted to be a mother,
a single mother is nothing new in today's society.
There's surrogate mothers,
well, I mean, you know,
there's so many opportunities out there for women,
why do I have to choose this archaic,
patriarchal, system,
um that men created, marriage.
Luke:
Well, no I mean, I'm sorry it's come to it that you see it that way
but I think that you are missing out on one of the great treasures of life and that's...
Vivian:
And How do you know,
you're not even married,
you just have this idealistic marriage um idea in your head..
Luke:
O.K. How about this?
I'll appeal to on a more of a legalistic
and pragmatic angle,
I mean, without marriage.
You don't get all these tax-breaks
and stuff and you don't get the same benefits that,
that you'd get if you're married.
If you're single,
you're just living together that's not gonna,
that's not gonna,
that's not gonna hold up in a court-of-law.
There are so many benefits you get.
Just from a pragmatic point of view.
Vivian:
I'll play your game.
I'll adopt a kid, ha.
Bow:
But you won't get respect from society,
society doesn't,
does not respect single mothers or single women.
Vivian:
I'll donate,
I'll donate. Why not?
Daisy:
Because society is ruled
by a government of white,
conservative men,
and there in lies the problem.
Vivian:
O.K. What about this?
Alright Bow,
I honestly,
don't believe you are
satisfied with your marriage,
you're not lustful of your wife,
and she isn't of you.
You guys are in it on your marriage,
it's a functional marriage.
You guys feel like you have to be with each other,
you have to raise this picture
(Daisy: Three kids)
perfect family,
exactly,
and you are tied down by your kids
and your dog and your BMW
and your two door garage.
Luke:
Have you never seen them together
the way they're fawn over each other,
and dote on each other?
Vivian:
In front of others, sure.
Bow:
You, just, you're saying that from lack of experience,
you just haven't been there,
once you cross over to the other side
then maybe we can have this conversation.
Vivian:
I don't wanna be on the other side.
I'm perfectly happy living the life that I am.
Bow:
Sure, promiscuous and just another man every other night and,
you know, you don't know
if you have a disease or, you know...
Luke:
Ignorance is bliss.
Bow:
Exactly.
Vivian:
I get my pap smear every six months.
Bow:
Doesn't matter,
the thing is, it's not..,
you're just thinking about sex in the,
because of the, the function of sex.
It just pure lust and that's not what it's all about,
it's about like, yes, of course.
Daisy:
Well, you're not thinking about
the lust when you use those toys with your wife?
Bow:
No, maybe, she is, but to me,
(Daisy: Maybe she is),
it's really, it's like um the ultimate of a...
coming together,
that fusion of marriage and love is,
is intercourse,
with each other
and it's not just the function of it.
It's, it's more like a union of our souls coming together,
and it's not like,
you know, of course,
I think of other women as attractive,
wow, she is really beautiful,
and but.., it's more of an attraction to my wife,
well, I mean, even when I see her naked
with her stretch marks and her rolls,
that's doesn't matter to me.
It's just like,
I don't even see that.
