2. 《听说大突破》Abortion and Sexual Education压码听懂练习

对于口语里面的语言，容易出现的问题是：
一个一个短句子都能力理解，但是说了好长时间却不知道说的所以然。
所以压码连环重复几个短句子变为一个 长句子就非常重要，而且只重复一边还不好，需要多重压码长句子，就是看着频谱图将一串串的频谱图的语音，至少重复压码两次，才比较容易理解和记忆，理解实际上海鸥容易一些，基本都是简单的句子，主要是记忆住完整的意思。
但是，整理好的文本阅读一下就可以完全理解了，而且可以产生大量的英语思维。
实际上对于专题讨论来说，最关键地是《听说大突破》提供了一些说话的方式，对于里面专题讨论的内容实在不敢恭维，谈话内容即不够文明，也没有教育意义，学习英语的同时还要注意洗脑。
但是学习英语的方式却提供一些有益的借鉴意义。就是对于专题讨论之类的话题，只要学习一个磁带就可以学会了。讨论的水平高低，主要的是谈紫。而这个谈资的来源，主要来源于网络的搜索，相关英语话题的文章阅读一下，比学习磁带就丰富多了。只要学会了这里说话的方式，将文章的长句子破开来说就有了不停的话题。

4. Abortion and Sexual Education  B1 的43分38.36秒到58分43秒结束的语音文本

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Bow:

That makes it ....a very easy decision...... for the man
...... who had(that) impregnated the woman
(Daisy: Right)
... in that culture.
(Daisy: Right)
.... If it's up to her...... OK. You do it, .....he doesn't have to pay.... for anything
......and he doesn't have to... have the guilt.

Daisy:

.......He doesn't .....have to.... go out .....and hunt goats.... or something.

Vivian:

.... OK, so I think ....the moral issue ....should be,..... really emphasized.
.....I mean.... first of all,...... men should...... take responsibility,
....it's not a hit.... and go kind of thing, .....you know, ....
.....you should ....stick around even..... if you weren't involved,
..... until the process.... is over,.... and through.... with whether.... it's carrying it out... to the end,
.....or watching it through..... until she has the baby...... And I should all..
....... always emphasize adoption being,..... you know, .....an option.
.(Daisy: An option.)
.....You know, ......if all else fails,..... hey, .....you know, ....
.....I honestly think .....if that would happen to me,...... adoption, ....you know,
...... I couldn't.... find other options ...for myself,
..... I would always consider adoption.... the last resort, ...you know.

Vivian:

Abortion, .....the last resort?
(  )

Daisy:

.....No. Adoption. ....I mean..... that should be something.... that's there.
.....You know, .....if I can't keep this baby ....or if we can't raise it together .....or something.
.....My parents.... couldn't raise it...... That should.... always be.

Luke:

....I do agree that, .....that bringing a child to term..... and seeking out that route,
..... is the noble thing to do,
(Vivian: Sure)
.....but I just don't think ......everybody is up to it. .....And if they're not up to it,... I mean,
(Vivian: Exactly)
.....If they are like way ....to stressed and.....
.....way to freaked out.... and they're going through this turmoil.
..... I think .....a lot of the formative .....stuff that goes into baby's ....character,
..... probably happens ....in the womb.... before it's even popped up.

Vivian:

......You know.... they're always talking about.... people ....who are raped ...or ...in,
......you know, ....abused situations.... where it was a very tra...you Know
(Luke: traumatic)
... traumatic event..... Event? ....Ok..... Incident, ....and so ...maybe..... they don't even want this at all.

Bow:

Not always though, .....a friend of my grandmother's, ....I remember this story,... when I was young,
she, uh,.... I met her. ....She had a really great personality,
.....I always thought ....of her as a funny lady..... She was travelling ....in the Philippines, a
.....nd was raped at, ...at night, ....she had no idea.... who was.... and she had the baby,
..... and I remember the kid...... And the kid was... just like her, ....
.....she raised the kid. ....And the kid was very happy..... I believed it ...at that time,
....so it just depends on ....you know, ....who raises the kid..... I suppose
(Daisy: No, Yeah) ...
(  )
Vivian: .

....We're talking about..... the person themselves....not the baby too,
....I mean, .....it does depend ....on the person.
....You know, .....you could be... a very young girl,
.....and have been raped, ....I mean,..... this may be traumatic... for you.
.....Not only that ....but there are..... also health reasons,
.....why like young children, .....if your body ....is not fully developed,
.....you cannot carry a baby ...to term....... It's dangerous ....to your body.
......And so... a lot of doctors .....make that argument that,
.....you know, ......if your body has not .....come to age yet,
..... or it's not .....fully developed .....you're not.... up to.... bearing a baby yet.

Daisy:

.....Well,.... not just that, ....I mean, .....you know, .....I mean, ....you've got a 17-year-old kid
..... who's promiscuous.... and is pregnant, ....
...(and) you're going to..... leave it up to..... her to take care of her body ....for nine months?
....She could be drinking, .....(Vivian: Sure) .....she could be having more,
.... you know, ....sex...... She could be having, .....taking drugs ....she you never know.
..... But..... the point ....that Bow made about his....., the story about ....his grandmother ...I mean,
....in an ideal society.
.....(Bow: Grandmother's friend.)
..... Ah! Sorry..... In an ideal society,...
.... we'd all be doing that, ....but it's not an ideal society.
.....And it's up to ....us to... provide other options .....
...or ...I think ....the only way .....we're gonna solve this problem is ....by educating our children.
... (Luke: Yeah).... Letting them know.... that of course yes, ....abortion exists.
....Because if we, ....if we... make it illegal again ....we're gonna have women ....hurting themselves.
.... And there's gonna be.... butchers,..... you know... in,.... uh, ...in abortion clinics.
.....You know,.... just cutting these women up ....and it is just gonna go back.
..... It'll be chaos.....
(Bow: ....Knowledge is power)
.....So. ...It is. So, ...let's treat our kid ....let's teach our kids,
.... um,..... so that this doesn't happen.... so we're not having... them pregnant,
..... they are not getting.... the diseases, .....and this doesn't become, ....even become an issue.

Luke:

.....They have to.... have all of the options available ....to them.
.....but it has to start .....at the very foundations ....of the education system again.
(Daisy: Yes, yes.).... It's like, ....and you have to, ....people have to impress of course.
..... I think it’s uh...., it's human nature you..... want to see if it's,
..... something like ....that happens, .....you wanna see it ....come to term,
....you wanna see ..(uh)a new life brought ....into the world. ....That's the human,
.....that's the basic..... fundamental ....human impulse..... It's like procreate.
.....That's the most beautiful thing. ....It doesn't work ....for everybody.
..... It doesn't,.... it doesn't end happily.... in every situation.
..... So for that reason.... I think it.... has to be an option.
..... But ultimately ....I disagree with, .....with doing it..... It's an,.... it's an,
.... (Daisy: Abortion).... it's a shitty thing...( ) the  shitty thing.. that you have to go through
..... I'm sure..... I'll never experience it,.... but women.... I know ....who've done it, ...it's been like,
....you know, ....the hardest dec..,..... the hardest decision.... they've ever had to make ....to go actually through with it.

Daisy:
....

....But then,..... the problem is.... that today, ....you know,....
...... actually I have a friend..... in Australia .....and she's had five abortions.... and she's 28.
(Luke: Yeah) .....and she is using it as.... a form of contraception.
.....And she said .....I just had my fifth abortion.... when I last went home,
....and I said to her.... "Do you know ......like know ....about the pill,"
..... or you know .....other forms of contraception...... And she said,... yeah but if I...., if I take the pill,
....you know, ....I'm gonna gain weight, ....and this is just like,..... she's, ....
......just become .....such a superficial person....
......where she can.... check herself .....in her lunch break, ....break into an abortion clinic,
...... have an abortion, ....come out .....and go back to work
.... and has no emotional attachment whatsoever.

Vivian:

.....See? In that situation, .....it is extreme.
(Vivian: Extreme .....and it's unexceptable,..... it's amoral,.... you know)
.....Well, obviously,.... we have a group of people here,.... that..,
.... you know .....we don't have... any extreme people,
.....you know, .....we're not extremely..... pro-choice.... or pro-life.
....But .....how about we attack..... this question?
....uh，...We obviously are ....kind of pro-life..... but also pro-choice,
.....(but) for the extreme .....pro-choice people ...of course... they wanna say...
, hey, ....from day one, ....from day one.... the child is alive ....and you can't kill it ....after that day.
.... Right? ....(Daisy: Pro-life people).... Right. ....So I mean.... where exactly ....in your opinion is,
.... does life begin? ....Because..... in America.... I think... for most states,
....you know, ....abortion... is legal..... or not, ....uh,.... or illegal ....in states depending on,
....it's their decision. ...But, um, ...usually ....I think... it's two months... is the...
.... (Daisy: You can have an, ....you can have an abortion up to your ....first trimester)
....Right. ....Somewhere around there......
.... So in your personal opinions ....how far can you take it ....or you shouldn't ....take it at all?

Bow:

I already answered that ....earlier I said that I ....believe it's
... right.... from the beginning even
.....before the egg.... and the sperm meet..... It's life in,... everything.
...(Vivian: Do you think?) ....Yeah,... I believe that....
. (Vivian: You too..., Luke?.... How about you Daisy?)

Daisy:

....Yeah, ....well, ...you know, ....I believe that... I said that,
.... you know, ....shortly ....after conception.... I believe ...it's becoming... a child,
....a baby, ...a human..... But I don't believe... that it's a life .....until it's connected
..... with the mother.... and mother.... has connected with it.
..... And I believe.... that ....when the woman makes.... that decision....
.... that I'm going to ....have this child ....and I'm going to.... love this child
..... or I'm going to carry this child, ....so... it'll be loved.... by someone else.... then it's a life
....and then... it's a life.... that it's important.... It's important.

Luke:

....( it's  fou you hoth  ) It's becomes,.... I just think... it's a life... from the beginning
.....but as it becomes more complex,.... it's a trickier decision.
..... It's sorta like .....how you feel bad ...about like,
..... uh, killing a bird, ....but you don't feel bad about .....squashing a bug
...... It's all life,... you don't feel bad about... plucking a dandelion.
..... It's just higher things.... that we see as being ....more close to ....us are harder... for us to try to... snuff out.
..... And as a child develops ....and grows ...and becomes .....more like us ...with our own like genetic material.
...I think that's ....when it really starts... to become uh,... like you.

Vivian:

.....The reason ....（uh）.why I ask this question.... is because,... sure....
.... when we look at it... that way it's,
....it's an,.... a simple answer, ....hey, ...you know,...
.... it's, ....it's life... from the beginning ..or what not.
.... But.... what if we made ....that situation ...more complicated,
....what if... it was your daughter,... Bow, ...
....and she was raped.... by some stranger ..on the street and,
....listen,... listen,.... and she is only a teenager,...
..... she's young,.... she was raped, ......she doesn't know ....who the hell this person was,
..... you know,.... and.... what if she is.... put in that situation,...
..... what if she didn't know.... she was pregnant, ...hey?
.... Oh! And wait...., what if she's ....(hey,hey,ehy)  a lot of people, ....no,
.....a lot of people ....don't show until ....what they're third ....or fourth months.
....Am I right, ...Daisy?... I mean...., what if she found out ....after the first trimester,
..... after a certain point..... where a lot of people.... don't agree,
.....hey,.... after this point you shouldn't ....have it.
.....But what if the situation.... is totally .... she's too young,
....she's,.... you know,.... emotionally upset,..... and she cannot accept this. (well)
.....What if she..... made the choice.... that she doesn't ....want it.
....How would you... feel about that?

Bow:

.....Now? (Vivian: Yeah) ...（uh）.Well, ....that's the thing I'm the Dad of this person.
.... You're a woman..... What if it was you? ....What would you do? .
......I don't, ...I don't know... what I will do.

Vivian:

.... Yeah, OK..... What if it was your partner, ....
.....and what if it is your female counterpart.
.....Then it's your choice together, right?

Bow:
.
.....Yeah,...（uh） I don't know ....what I would do.
..... What would you do? ....If it was you?

Vivian:

....But see that's ....what I'm asking..... When you simply say, ....when is,
.....when does life begin,.... and how far can you take it,....
..... you guys earlier said... from day one.
.....But then when you complicate the situation.... you really can't give an answer.

Daisy:

....Well, you can..... Because.... the law says.... after your first trimester
....... you cannot legally have an abortion, ....and I,.... I would be pretty.., uh...

Vivian:

......But not in all.... countries.

Daisy:

....Well, ...（I)...almost all ....of them.

Vivian:

....But. ....Let's say that ....wasn't true,... that's,.... what it is the whole.

Daisy:

.....Say that wasn't true?

Vivian:

..... No, no, no...... I'm saying the... whole issue,
.....is they're still arguing ....where does life begin,
.... where does it end, ...(why,why)..whether to make this legal.... or not.
..... I mean..... that's ....what I'm asking.
...... If the situation..... was complicated like that.....
...... I mean,..... it was your own daughter, ......or your own mate
....., I mean,.... could you say?

Luke:

.....Once they hit elementary school,.... it's too late to abort.

Vivian:

.....Yeah,（uh ha） ...I think so too.

Daisy:

... Yeah, ......definitely.... I don't know, ....I mean.... that's a tough,
.....you know,.... I mean,..... that's basically ....(.the  uh)...the scientific evidence
..... that most pro-lifers ....are arguing with..... with pro-choicers.
..... And you know,.... I just,... the scientific information,
......for me it's more of uh,.... a spiritual thing.
.......I think ...that it is wrong .....to just use..... abortion as contraception.... which we've all said.
..... But.... I do believe .....that it is a connection...
...... that,.....（the). that connection makes life, .....our connection ....with each other,
......(why)our relationships.... with each other,
..... and my future relationship ....with my child..... when I have a child
..... I know ....I'm pregnant ...and ....when I accept that....
..... and I'm already loving ....that child ....and bringing it into life,
..... that's when the connection ....for me would be
...... And I think .....most women.... feel that way.

Luke:

.....And I think it's easy to.... talk about, ....talk about, ....
....you know,.... when you're in a vacuum ....and saying, ....this is the right thing,
....and I'm morally like this,..... and I believe in this thing.
.....But, uh, ...yeah,...( what the happend ? ). unless you have experienced....
.... all the emotions ....that come with it.
.....And the actual ....going through ...with it. ....Who knows... what you're gonna do?
....(Daisy: Exactly) ....I mean,.... you don't know ....what you think.
..... It's easy t....o like take ....this hypothetical situation,
.... (Daisy: Sure).... and say,.... well you know,..... after thinking through it and stuff,
.....and go through all this pedantic.... sort of B.S
...... But I mean yeah, ....doing it is,.... actually.... where you're gonna find your answer
..... (and) and being put in ....that situation.... you can't rationalize that.

Bow:

......Well, that's why it is, .....what it is today..... Everything's messed up,.... because everybody,
.....not everybody has gone through it.....
...... So ....we have these opinions .....which we think..... this could be .....a basic foundation
......but people will still ...（um）..from now ....until the end of time.... they will still
... um, .....keep talking about this,.... (Daisy: Sure)
.....and keep going through the same situations.... over and over again.
.....You just keep your opinions,.... you know,
.... like what you think .....and you try to do .....but you hope of course.... a situation like that
..... would not happen. .....But if it does arise.... then.... you try to deal with it as it comes.

Daisy:

.....Sure,.... that's fine. ....These people in the government
....(Luke: Speaking on your behalf of course)
.......(.These people in the government)
are going to make decisions .....about my future.... and my body,...
.... and I wanna have a say in that...... I'm not impressed....
..... when conservative ....Rush Limbaugh ....or whoever else it.
.... happens to be... in government ....at the time.
......Would stand up there .....and tell me ....what rights ....I have as a woman,
.....and what ...I can do... with my body,.... I'm offended.

Bow:


......But there are.... also republican..... or conservative women.... in congress
..... who're voting.... for these laws too.

Daisy:
    (  )
....Yes, there are. ....But they have a right ....to talk about that.
..... Because they are women, ...I accept that.
....( that)But I don't,.... I, I,.... draw the line.... when I've got a bunch full of
.....white male conservatives .....discussing my future .....and other women's future.

Vivian:

....Right...... (I) I agree with that, ....but I do believe, ....
....I'm sorry .....to go against all the females.... out there.
.....But I do believe.... they d....o have a word ...in there,..
..... because, ...um, ....a very small word. ....I'm not saying... a big word.

Luke:

.....I think for a woman....(in) in a situation .....where it wasn't uh,
.....a mutually .....mutual relationship ....this has happened,
.....an experience ....to people... I know.
.....Um,... not,.... not a close situation, ...
......all of a sudden a pregnancy.... came up.... unexpectedly ..(the).the man was,
.....I want no part of this,..... and the woman was like .....and don't sweat it,
.... I don't want to.... make you a part of it. ...That's fine.... If you're,
.....if you're interested ....in pursuing it further ....than go ahead but,
......I'm choosing to go... go ahead .....with this anyway.
..... And I think .....the guy eventually sort of just came around ....to the idea.
..... He wanted to be ....a part of it... like she was gonna go through ....with it anyways.
..... She was like.... I'll find a way,... I'm really gonna do this,
...... I'm gonna go ahead .....and I'm gonna do it.
......And then she came, .....and then... the guy was... just sort of like uh,
...... she's doing it without me.
.....That's half my kid, man.

Bow:

.....Actually, ....you know, .....I think that happens.... in a lot of cases,....(yah)
...... um, ....one partner ....makes the decision ....and it's like....
...... somebody is waiting ....for the other one to say....., yes, we can do this.
...... And then once you get ....that consensus,.....
....... then ....you go ahead ....and then you find out .....what child rearing is,
......child bearing ....and child rearing ....and it turns out ....to be a very rewarding .....experience.
..... Exactly. ...Thank you.

Luke:

A rewarding experience.

Vivian:

...... I just wanna touch on..(uh)... what that just reminded me of...
.... was. What if the woman were to.... go ahead....
..... and consent to ....this and say ....that she..... wanted the baby
..... and there was the male ....who didn't ....want anything... to do with it.
..... Doesn't he have something to say,.... when he says....
..... I don't want... my child being born...... What about.... that aspect of this story, no?

Bow,

Daisy:

.....No.

Vivian:

...... No?

Luke:

I don't think ...so,... I don't think.... I'd feel in a place.... that I've ever... tell a woman,
.....you have to ....take that child's life,.... if she felt, ....she felt,....( )
..... if she felt.... that she was ....good enough to do it ....and she was up... for the job,
..... no one else .....would be more qualified ...than her.

Vivian:

....OK..... Let's wrap up ....with maybe ...a comment.... from each of us.
..... How do you feel over all.... and maybe then, ....some thoughts?

Bow:
..
.... Um,..... I think Daisy...... brought up a really.....(uh) pertinent point.... which was,
.....which can kind of almost ....sum up everything.... which is that ....education is the key point.
.... (Vivian: Definitely)..... And,... uh,..(yah)... educate people,....
...... and let them know .....what's going on ...as much ....as you can,
....... put more money... into the schools.... for that purpose ...and uh...

Vivian:

.... And the parents ....should get involved, too..... It's not just schools,
(Luke: Talk to your kids, to your kids)
......don't make it ....just the schools' ....or governments' ...responsibility.

Daisy:

.... Hopefully, ....you know, ....if we are able to do that,.... if we are talking to our children
....., and we are teaching them.... in schools,
.......getting them as much.... information as possible,
......and trusting ....their judgment, .....maybe(they)... they won't even get.... to the situation
......where they'll have to.... think about abortion.
..... But, ...you know,.... we've got to do something.

Vivian:

......And sadly enough .....if you were.... put in that situation,
.... this is my personal opinion,... but I think.... each situation..... is different regardless
..... if it's pregnancy, ....or violence,... or what not.
.....You have to ....kind of take it.... for ...each circumstance
.......(Daisy: Right)
....on its own. ....We can't just ....judge everything.

Daisy:

....There is no.... black ...and white.

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SIDE A


Ok, today we're talking about a real sensitive issue.
It's abortion and of course sexual education,
it all kinds of, you know, combines into each other.

Vivian:

This is Viv.
Daisy:

Yeap! This is Daisy.
Yes, a very heated topic.
I don't know what do you think. Bow.

Bow:

This is Bow! It's short for Bow Seaffas.
Anyway, I think this is a hot topic all over the world.
So let's dig our heels in and get going.

Luke:

Yeah, the life-giving force that we all have inside of us,
that procreative impulse,
that just seems to keep on going like a spark
that can never be snuffed out.
Let's rap gang.

Vivian:

Hello everyone welcome
and uh let's introduce ourselves.

Luke:

How are you doing? This is Luke!

Bow:

And I am Bow!

Daisy:

And I am Daisy!

Vivian:

And this is Viv!

Vivian:

Today's topic is sexual education.
Let's start off by saying, hey,
where did you guys start off?
I mean, how'd you get your sexual education?

Daisy:

Well, urn, well, actually I was kind of brought up in
a very strict Catholic family
and my mother was very reluctant to tell me about anything.
Actually, my funny story,
my sister asked me to go to the store
and buy her some tampons.
And I had never heard this word before,
didn't even know what they were.
So I went to the shop
and I asked the guy
for some tampons,
and he gave them to me.
Looking at these tiny little,
cotton things and thinking,
what the hell are these?
I had no idea.
So I gave them to my sister
and asked her what they were.
And she said, "Ask mom."
And then I, urn, asked my mother and she wouldn't tell me
for like two months.
I kept hounding her,
so she gave me this book that
was like published in the sixties.
And it still have pictures of women that
use to wear those sanitary belts
that they attached sanitary napkins, too.
And I couldn't understand any of the words,
I didn't even know what a penis or a vagina was.

Vivian:

Oh! Daisy. This is brutal!

Daisy:

And I was pronouncing the word,
as "Penis," and "Vagina."
And my cousin came to visit me,
he was like talking about sex.
And I said "I know what sex is."
And he said, "No, you don't. What is it?"
And I said, "well, it's when a man puts his penis
in the women's vagina."

Vivian:

Can I ask how old you were
when you in first like.

Daisy:

When I got this? I was probably
10 or 11 I guess.
(Vivian: Really?)

Vivian:

What about school education?

Bow:

Urn. There was an attempt at educating students when I was,
I guess, in grade four or five.
I must have been just pre-pubescent at that time.
(Vivian: Right)
12, Thereabouts, 11 or 12.
They would take all the boys
and shuttle them into another room
and they would leave all the other girls
in the classroom that they were in.
And then the gym instructor would take us all and explain
basic things very nervously.
He was a gym instructor.
He was about physical education.
He was, part of his job description was not teaching
a bunch of horny pre-pubescent boys about sex.
But, um, because the curriculum had changed,
he sort of got stuck with the job.
And I mean it's, it's kind of stupid.
I mean it should, it has to be done.
But the thing is by that time,
a lot of kids really do know
quite a bit about sex.
Just because they have older brothers or sisters
who sort of fill them in or stuff,
um, or their friends do and they've learned stuff from their friends
in a lot of cases.
So I kind of knew a lot of stuff,
but it still was good to have that.
I think because it sort of,
am, solidified a lot of things,
just so that you wouldn't be embarrassed
if it ever came up like,
I know there's a lot of tension for me,
because there were a lot of spaces missing in the whole sex thing
that I wanted to get like,
you know, get smart with eventually
before I actually was gonna be with a girl.
I didn't wanna like just get there and be like "doh",
I've never learned that part,
you know.
So it is not necessary.
(Daisy: They told you that?)
No, I need not to study the general things,
you don't wanna go into it,
you know, your big romantic first encounter
and end up looking like a spasm,
just because you, you didn't want,
you know, ask your buddy.
What's that for?
How do you use that or whatever.

Vivian:

What about the parental aspects?
I mean, did your parents ever like come in and ask you or
tell you anything?

Luke:

My father would sometimes come up to me,
and ask me if there was anything that I wanted to know,
that I was curious about.
Is there any, you know,
sort of things that you're,
you know, you'll probably,
you know, starting to become a man now?
Is there anything that you're curious about?
Wanna know about?
Of course for me,
I was just ' No, that's all right. Dad, I'm fine.
And he said like, All Right. Great,
see what's on TV.
That was good enough for us.

Vivian:

And then week, he'd come back.

Luke:

Just make, just let you know,
you know, I'm here,
if you do wanna talk about this stuff,
if you don't,
that's probably,
you know,
just as good if not better.
(Daisy: That's great.)

Bow:

He was available for that.

Vivian:

How about you Bow?

Bow:

Um, my sexual education was a little bit warped.
I think it, kind of all most make me uh,
deviant almost because of it.
Because it was kind of in uh,
little, clips of things.
So like I guess, Luke was saying it was for..,
fourth grade or fifth grade.
You start to think about it
when it happens and...
There are some, you know,
promiscuous people in that grade too.
Sure they are. There was,
this couple they were supposedly going out
and there's rumor that they had,
had sex. So then,
everyone in that grade was like really interested in what happened,
what happened.
And they said,
well they did it.
And then they both got sick.
So, we thought that,
that's like what happen after you do it,
you know, too early or something you get sick.
But then like the second part of it was after that,
I actually, caught my parents doing it.
It just like walked into the room
and I thought like my dad was hurting my mother.
So I said "Dad, you're hurting mom."
And he said, "No, just go back to bed. We're OK!"
And then where it gets worse is
because I went to a Catholic school.
They kind of masked
sex education as health,
in health class.
You take health.
But you're taught sex education
by a really big and fat ninety-year-old nun
who says if anybody laughs,
I'm gonna whack you on the back of your head.
People laughed and I laughed and
then she said like this is the penis and this is the vagina... Boom!
you got whacked in the back of your head.
So now I like uh,
when I have relations I feel like I'm gonna get whacked
in the back of my head in a minute.

Daisy:

Which you do anyway!

Bow:

Turns me on.

Luke:

It still true that
I feel if you laugh during any sort of sexual stuff,
you usually get a slap in a face.

Vivian:

Are we talking from experience here, right?

Luke:

Oh, yes, sure. I haven't had sex, yet.

Bow:

Oh yeah sure.
So, but I'm think uh, nowadays,
like I sound like a real dad like:
"When I was back in school,"
but, it's true like I think people are more aware of it,
at least in North America,
and they're making it a priority their kins take this sexed.
As a whole class not as
under the guise of health class.

Vivian:

Right. I think in the past ten,
maybe 15 years,
especially in the American school system
with the addition of sex education.
It may not necessarily be a class you can select it
as an elective when you enter high school.
But usually you get this class
during the end of your elementary
or beginning of your junior high years,
you get a couple of classes
with the health teacher or the nurse.
And they teach you,
you know, all the basic functions of the body including,
you know, all the sexual parts,
and that has changed the educational system a lot.
As matter of fact,
there's lots of parents who are totally against
having sexed in school.
They don't like the fact of the school teaching it and so
usually you get parental permission
before your child can enter that class.

Daisy:

Well, when I'm, I was in elementary school,
um, I went to a Catholic school.
And they didn't teach it in the school
but what they did to satisfy the parents
who wanted the education
was have all the kids go to the local church
after school.
And sit down while the priest and the nun
gave us sex education.
Which is ironic.

Vivian:

That sounds similar to Bow's situation.

Luke:

That's why that, you know.
Catholic school girls have such a bad reputation
cause they do just the opposite of what they are not supposed to do.

Vivian:

Exactly.

Daisy:

But, um, basically,
just the biological functions they taught us,
you know, woman menstruate.
And this is what happens and
then when I went to high school
I had a class like that it was called health.
They were very liberal they taught us about contraception,
sexual diseases,
everything from drugs,
tobacco,
alcohol,
all those things that
you know I guess kids are tempted by.
And I thought it was good.
Actually, I found the class very interesting
because I never had that education in elementary school,
and I know more I think about those things like sexual diseases
than any of my friends do because I remember that.
I think it's really important to teach kids that,
and give them that sexual education.

Bow:

The thing that's um,
strange are the statistics like today,
because you know,
say from the forties for example to the sixties,
or late fifties
even though sex education
it was kind of weird talk about it
and it was really scientific and stuff,
but there was less teenage pregnancy then,
than there is now when they're really adamant about teaching
these things in school.
So like is it just that the kids are not listening
or do they think they no more than more people?
I don't know.

Luke:

I think it's that,
I think the reason that parents
are against it is because they think that
their children are becoming educated
about the wrong things at too early an age,
but the truth is that kids are growing up they're,
they're maturing a lot faster.
(Daisy: Right. Much more promiscuous than they used to be.)
Not necessarily pre-mascuous,
but I mean that they come of,
they sort of come of age a little earlier
and they, urn, they go through these changes a little earlier
and the thing is they are going to get,
they are gonna get educated,
they are gonna learn about sex,
they're gonna be curious about it,
from a young age.
It's probably better that
like they learn about it on TVs and movies and music,
and on the Internet.
But they don't have that sort of, urn,
educational aspect,
and sort of like
what you should do,
maybe and what you shouldn't do.
That's why sex education it's not like they're gonna,
just go through life,
not even hearing about sex,
not wondering about it or curious about it,
if they don't get sex education.
But the sex education is good in that,
it sort of says now just be smarter about it,
you know, like
put this on or use this or like maybe,
maybe it's better to wait.
You got to think of your options
and if they won't get that
out of a school setting,
they just get sex is dirty,
it's kinda interesting.
They're just curious about it
and they want to learn about it.

Vivian:

For me, you know, my parents never sat me down,
even to these day,
we've never talked about that topic.
I mean, we never had that birds
and the bees little talk that everyone get.
So my first contact with that kind of information
was in elementary school,
just like Luke said,
we had the little class where the school
nurse actually took you aside,
and separated you and told you about the anatomy.
Perhaps the girls could,
you know, run into their menstrual cycle any time soon now.
You should go talk to parents.
And they gave us this little sample of the sanitary napkins.
So when I first ran into my little accident,
you know, I had that little sample that the teacher gave me and so
'Thank God!' You know, cause my mom and I never talked about that.
And then my second encounter with that sort of information
was in junior high,
when we had the health class that Daisy was talking about.
We had the health class
where we talked about all sorts of things
starting with drugs and going down to,
you know, the aca-, uh,
anatomy and sex and what not,
and I think when you're younger,
because children talk,
uh, she went out with so and
so and they did this and that,
of course, you know,
the movies and videos all sorts of information
that you get on TV.
There's a lot of things that aren't factual
but you know lots of rumor things that you think may be true
and sexual education kind of reinforces what you know,
and what may not be factual
and a lot of myths
get cleared out of the way,
you know, about STDs,
and AIDS and drugs and
getting this disease and that
of course pregnancy and what not.

Bow:

Urn, yeah, O.K. But, I think, uh,
one of the things that you're saying is that
you're unfortunate to not have the talk with your parents,
like everybody does,
I don't think many people do get that talk actually.
I think it's very rare that people do
and I think like the movie
"American Pie,"
that's why it was so funny with the father
"Eugene Levvy"
like "Son here's a couple of magazines for you."
Everybody could relate to that,
because that's what parents do.
I think it's just kind of weird to talk to your kids about
and they try to do it,
cause they think it's their duty,
but it doesn't really help.
I don't think so.

Daisy:

I think it's just probably;
it's a really awkward thing.
Because you know a mother-daughter
or father-son relationship is,
you know, extremely sensitive where that area is concerned.
A mother doesn't or father doesn't
want his daughter to be,
you know, even having sexual feelings.
So I think it's very difficult for them,
but that's why I think,
urn, because they're families like that,
that do have difficulties discussing those things,
that it is absolutely,
urn, of the utmost importance,
that education be in schools, compulsory.
The government should make that the law
whether parents don't like it or not
especially in this day and age.
I don't care what country you're in,
even if you're in Korea,
and they say there's no AIDS which is just,
just misinformation,
you know, there are,
other sexual diseases out there,
that can stay with you for life,
and you know, that might not be life threatening
but they are not certainly not comfortable,
and you know, there's AIDS, there's...
Oh, there're so many different things.
(Vivian: STDs, sure)
You know, other than pregnancy
to worry about
(Luke: Psychological things)

Sure.

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Vivian:

I definitely agree with Daisy,
there. That's definitely true
and then also it doesn't just rely on the government or the schools.
People always say,
hey, it starts with the home and it really does,
and for example,
I mean, if you were to put yourself in those same shoes,
if I had a daughter or a son,
I mean, I eventually know I have to talk to them,
sure, this is the position
that many parents are put in is.
I need eventually talk to my child about something like this
but "Are they there yet",
so it's kind of like,
kind of, you know, test you out,
maybe test out the waters by coming out and saying...
"So, is there any thing you wanna talk about?"
kind of like in Luke's situation.
But then of course the kids in the same situation were there,
it's an awkward topic for them, too.
And so they're not gonna say,
yeah. Dad actually I wanna know about this.
So they just keep avoiding the topic.
So you never end up talking about it
even though your child maybe 16, 18, 20.
You never want to admit to yourself.
Oh, my child is sexually active or is going to be,
and so you never wanna really go in
and you know. Yes, Bow.

Bow:

Um, yeah, that’s exactly right.
That's how I felt when I first had my daughter,
and I thought "oh" I'm just gonna be a strict dad
and she's never gonna have sex,
she's not gonna be with boys and all this stuffs.
And then I met,
uh, another father,
who has a similar situation.
We called him a Cooter.
Cooter's opinion was that,
that's so stupid.
I mean she's just gonna rebel against you even more,
she gonna become like a prostitute,
she's gonna do it for money,
you know it's just a natural res..,
res.., natural thing,
you know. That's what people do.

Vivian:

God forbid your daughter does that ten years from now.

Bow:

Yeah, ok. But um, anyway I kind of realized,
you're exactly right,
and I can't do that,
I can't like, you know lock her up,
and put a chastity belt on her,
or get the chastity rings...
I just have to kind of try to raise her,
naturally in hope like she'll be smart enough to make her own decisions.
(Daisy: Hope that she has good judgment)

Vivian:

I definitely think that the more informed you are,
the smarter you are,
think about it,
when you look at two 18-year-olds, for example,
and you have one that is very much educated
and aware of her surroundings,
and current events and what not.
One that is not so much aware of everything and informed.
When you see the ignorance
and the naivete of one child versus the other,
you know, that person that has more knowledge,
you know, yeah they're,
they know what's going on,
but then also they're gonna be, more aware of the bad things
and they are gonna be smart about
their choices and decisions versus the ones
that are not so aware
and so out of curiosity
and ignorance she's gonna go in there
and most likely be in a lot more dangerous situations.

Luke:

I think all kids respond to, uh,
to just frankness and openness.
And it's really hard to do with a topic like that,
but I find that like coddling kids
and just going like goo-goo ga-ga
and stuff often they're just like,
OK, someone's making stupid voices to me.
That's not how they really talk
when they're among themselves,
so I think they'd really respond to,
to a subject like that which is very sensitive
if you can just show them
you're comfortable talking about it like
at an early age
even if you are not.
If you can just sort of I don't know
be open about that stuff,
be available to talk about those sort of things.
I think it wouldn't be such,
such a hard thing to talk about
because it really is a natural thing,
you know it's such an obvious thing
and it's just all this other sort of social
conditions that make it sort of dodge to talk about, you know.

Vivian:

And who here at the age of 15 or 16,
didn't think that they were mature enough
or adult enough to hear something like this,
when your parents do talk to you like that
you're "Yeah, whatever",
and then it just makes you revolt against them more,
when they speak to you at such a level,
you know, when they if your parents had actually talking you
at the age of 15
and sat you aside and sai.
"Hey, you're an adult now,
you're mature enough to listen to this.
Hey, let's just talk to each other like adults.
This is how it is,
and if you're gonna get involved
or I would prefer that you don't
let me know this is how it goes.
If they are very frank with you,
I mean, I honestly think that,
yeah, I would probably respond,
not only with that,
you know, the whole sexual aspects
but with many other aspects as well,
at a much more mature level.
And probably grown up a little bit.

Bow:

You're saying that if your parents were frank with you then
(Vivian: Yeah, I'm just)
I disagree with that.
(Vivian: You do why?)
Because I think the point that you made that teenagers,
urn, do think that they are mature
because of that reason
they don't wanna listen to anybody.
And I think you don't realize that
until you become an adult,
and I think if you're frank with them,
yeah, they could be "yeah, whatever, whatever, whatever."

Daisy:

Yeah, but it depends on the attitude that you have towards them,
I mean if you're treating your children like a baby the entire time,
I mean that,
(Luke: And suddenly come up and say,
OK, let's talk about the birds and bees.)
Exactly.

Luke:

I mean you have to open with them even from a young age
like just sort of let them know like
"this is what makes girls girls,
this is makes boys boys,"
and like start at the really basic stuff like that, I mean.

Vivian:

Cause the entire raising the child experience is
an educational thing
from very the beginning it leads gradually,
and slowly, and eventually toward
the sex education thing as well.

Bow:

OK thanks. I'll remember that.

Daisy:

Well, you know, I just think that
we're so way beyond on this discussion
I don't think it's even about
how we approach it with out kids any more.
I think it should be forced down their throats.
I think whether the government has to do that,
the school has to do that,
or the parents,
it should be made some law that makes it compulsory.
Because I am not,
I don't want my child,
if, even if she can't talk to me
even if I have a great relationship with my child,
if he or she can't talk to me,
I wanna know she's getting
that information somewhere else.
(Vivian: Right)
Because it's just way to dangerous.
You take Korea, for an example,
you know, here's a country that has basically,
my niece, I asked what she gets in school.
And they're still just giving them the biological processes,
you menstruate,
the penis is inserted into the vagina
and so on, and so on, so on.
And she really knows nothing about
how to protect herself from pregnancy.
She doesn't know anything about sexual diseases.
She still thinks, and so does the rest of Korea,
which just makes me insanely angry,
that you can get AIDS
by drinking out of the same cup as someone,
you know, I mean, it's just misinformation,
and the thing, this is a country that has nightclubs
that have professional, you know,
dm, hookers working there.
And it's not just Korea.
It's the rest of Asia as well,
and urn, it's ok to have hookers
working in nightclubs as,
you know, girls that peel your fruit
or pour your drink.
But it's not ok to teach the rest of the country
that you need to wear a condom
that you need to protect yourself,
that there's AIDS,
there's other sexual diseases out there.

Luke:

What are the names of those night clubs?

Vivian:

Anyways, I do have to agree
with Daisy on one point
is the actual amount of education you are getting
and at what age, too.
As I was saying before,
I learned about the anatomy in elementary school.
But then like said especially
when you are at that age you're very sensitive
and you hear a lot of information
and that's not actually factual,
a lot of it is,
just a lot of gossip that kids pass around.
Hey, if you do this,
you get this.
This happens to you
such and such. Literally,
ninety percent of it is all false,
I mean, its false information
and you should be informed
with factual information
whether it’s from school,
or homes or whatever.
And even to this day,
even from adults that I speak to, my friends.
There's a lot of people that are
totally misinformed about certain things,
I mean, they may know it up to a certain point,
but then that they don't know the, the rest of it.
You know, I mean I'm talking about 30-year-old adults
who don't know the,
the entire picture, you know,
and I mean, when these children are going up to junior high
and they know basically the,
the little skeleton,
but they don't know the meaty part of it,
and then they hear all these rumors.
Even though, you think you're supposed to know
you're not so sure,
and when you hear these rumors.
Oh, that must be true,
I mean, if they get factual information
instead of being misinformed by their peers,
wouldn't that change a lot of things.

Luke:

Sure. I was growing up, uh,
a lot of, uh,
people that I knew
who were starting to experiment with sex
under the understanding
that you couldn't get pregnant the first time.
And you couldn't get pregnant
if you did it in a certain position,
if the girl was on top or something.
So that was sort of a form of birth control,
you know. I wonder how many people
got themselves in a lot of trouble.
It's the first time. Forget about it.

Bow:

Girls believe that.
You win there.

Vivian:

I have a totally prime example;
this is just something recent
that I had recently read.
I heard that in Korea a form of,
I think, I don't know,
if it was Korea or America whatever,
but maybe twenty years ago,
a form of birth control
was pulling out before the male ejaculated.
(Luke: It helps.)
It helps, yeah, but that is not 100 percent.
That is not
(Daisy: Coitus interrupt us)
contraception.
That is totally not,
you know, and I was trying to explain,
no actually. You know, it leaks out a little bit,
and then also even,
and that's totally not contraception.
And then the second fact
which wasn't a fact was, um,
there were many women that were confused as to
when you're menstruating
if you have intercourse,
you couldn't get pregnant,
or when you're menstruating
that was the time when you do get,
you know, pregnant,
which was true.
And so they were confused as to
which was actually true.
And so that is very dangerous information to have,
if you are on the wrong side of.

Daisy:

Well, that's the rhythm method,
and that's what the Catholic Church
tried to get everybody to use it and
that's why Catholic parents
have so many children.
(Luke: That's why it's the main religion in Christianity.)

Vivian:

If you're to go to a doctor,
ask him if this is true or not,
he probably would laugh in your face,
because, first of all,
this is not a way to,
you know, protect yourself,
and perhaps if you don't wanna conceive children
that is not the way to go about things.
And second, it isn't true, you know,
I mean that is totally false information.

Luke:

But it's hard,
if people don't,
if kids don't have anywhere to go to other than friends'
who also don't know the score,
and if parents aren't
really forthcoming with that kind of information
and they don't get it in the schools,
like where are they gonna get it.

Daisy:

That's why, you know, I urge,
you know parents to go and
join their PTA to write their local member
to get their governments to do something
to make it compulsory in schools.

Bow:

I think it is actually in the States
(Luke: It is.)
(Vivian: In America)
the problem is, with that is,
even though like anything else,
US history is compulsory,
but you gotta,
a lot of kids in the poor neighborhoods
don't go to school.
(Daisy: Right)
So they are not showing up for the class, you know.

Daisy:

Well that's why I think that there needs
to be some type of standard in,
you know, in sex education in schools,
and as Bow said,
you know, of course there are the poor kids,
you know, in poor neighborhood that aren't getting that education.
But there are you know, I,
I, the government even in the states,
is trying to do things about that I mean,
they've got welfare offices set up and
people that go out,
they talk to women
who are single mothers having children
and give them information about,
you know, how to protect themselves
both from sexual disease,
and pregnancy.
And I think it has to be
a national effort in any country that you live in.
If you have children and you're not involved,
then you're not doing enough.
You have to go,
you have to write to your local member.
You have to go to the village meeting,
discuss these things they're important.
And if you're not involved,
then if your child does get pregnant
then you are responsible for that.

Vivian:

And I think this eventually leads to another question
that is actually a very hot issue,
especially in the western countries these days.
I mean, what if all of this sexual education,
it didn't work out in the end.
Hey, what if, uh, it just didn't work out the way
you wanted it for,
your daughter or son?
What if they did get pregnant
or what if they got someone else pregnant,
they'd been a situation where what?
They may be students and they couldn't finish their education
or they'd be force to
have home education.
There is a lot of situations going on out there.
And of course even as a young adult or an elder adult,
you may get pregnant
and that is not the situation that you had planned on.
There are some options out there for you
and they're difficult options,
and we can discuss some of the options first,
and see how we all feel about this,
um, obviously the topic is adopt.., um,
I'm sorry, adoption?
Ok. Those are one of the choices,
yeah, that's one of the choices, but abortion.
It is a really hot steamy issue,
lots of people get very urn,
sensitive about this one,
so let's start off by saying like
where we kind of stand.
Are you pro?
Or Are you against abortion?
Are you for abortion?
And second let's talk about the choices
that are involved with that.
You wanna start up Bow?
Are you
(Bow: Me?)
Luke?

Bow:

Um, I think that.

Vivian:

What side are you on first?

Bow:


I don't choose either side,
I'm neither pro-choice nor pro-life.
But I do, I believe that, um,
there shouldn't be an abortion
if people are, can be responsible,
if they have the ability to be responsible,
but they're just choosing not to be because oh,
it's gonna be so hard on me.
I don't agree with that.
I agree in extreme situations
where depending on
how that child is gonna be raised,
if the child is gonna grow up to be,
you know, raised in a terrible environment
then maybe the best choice would be to,
you know, go ahead for the abortion.
Um, if it had to do with a mother's health,
um, basically yes.

Daisy:

He doesn't have to go out and hunt goats or something.

Vivian:

OK, so I think the moral issue should be,
really emphasized.
I mean first of all,
men should take responsibility,
it's not a hit and go kind of thing,
you know, you should stick around even if you weren't involved,
until the process is over,
and through with whether it's carrying it out to the end,
or watching it through until she has the baby.
And I should al...
always emphasize adoption being,
you know, an option.
(Daisy: An option.)
You know, if all else fails, hey, you know,
I honestly think if that would happen to me,
adoption, you know, I couldn't find other options for myself,
I would always consider adoption the last resort, you know.

Vivian: Abortion, the last resort?

Daisy: No.

Adoption. I mean that should be something that's there.
You know, if I can't keep this baby or
if we can't raise it together or something.
My parents couldn't raise it. That should always be.

Luke:

I do agree that,
that bringing a child to term
and seeking out that route,
is the noble thing to do,
(Vivian: Sure)
but I just don't think everybody is up to it.
And if they're not up to it,
I mean,
(Vivian: Exactly)
If they are like way to stressed and.
way to freaked out and they're going through this turmoil.
I think a lot of the formative
stuff that goes into baby's character,
probably happens in the womb
before it's even popped up.

Vivian:

You know they're always talking about people
who are raped or in,
you know, abused situations where it was a very tra...
(Luke: traumatic)
traumatic event. Event?
Ok. Incident,
and so maybe they don't even want this at all.

Bow:

Not always though,
a friend of my grandmother's,
I remember this story,
when I was young,
she, uh, I met her.
She had a really great personality,
I always thought of her as a funny lady.
She was travelling in the Philippines,
and was raped at,
at night, she had no idea
who was and she had the baby,
and I remember the kid. And the kid was just like her,
she raised the kid. And the kid was very happy.
I believed it at that time, so it just depends on ves not the baby too,
I mean, it does depend on the person.
You know, you could be a very young girl,
andyou know, who raises the kid.
I suppose (Daisy: No, Yeah) ...
Vivian:
We're talking about the person themsel have been raped,
I mean, this may be traumatic for you.
Not only that but there are o term.
It's dangerous to your
body. And so a lot of doctors make that argument that,
you know, if your body has not come to age yet,
or it's not fully developed you're not up to bearing a baby yet.

Daisy:

Well, not just that,
I mean, you know, I mean, you've got a 17-year-old kid
who's promiscuous and is pregnant,
and you're going to leave it up to her
to take care of her body for nine months?
She could be drinking,
(Vivian: Sure)
she could be having more,
you know, sex. She could be having,
taking drugs she you never know.
But the point that Bow made about his,
the story about his grandmother I mean,
in an ideal society.
(Bow: Grandmother's friend.)
Ah! Sorry.
In an ideal society,
we'd all be doing that,
but it's not an ideal society.
And it's up to us to provide other options
or I think the only way we're gonna solve this problem is by educating our children.
(Luke: Yeah)
Letting them know that of course yes,
abortion exists.
Because if we,
if we make it illegal again
we're gonna have women hurting themselves.
And there's gonna be butchers,
you know in, uh, in abortion clinics.
You know, just cutting these women up and
it is just gonna go back.
It'll be chaos.
(Bow: Knowledge is power)
So. It is. So, let's treat our kid let's teach our kids,
um, so that this doesn't happen
so we're not having them pregnant,
they are not getting the diseases,
and this doesn't become,
even become an issue.

Luke:

They have to have all of the options available to them.
but it has to start at the very foundations of the education system again.
(Daisy: Yes, yes.)
It's like, and you have to,
people have to impress of course.
I think it’s uh, it's human nature you want to see if it's,
something like that happens,
you wanna see it come to term,
you wanna see a new life brought into the world.
That's the human,
that's the basic
fundamental human impulse.
It's like procreate.
That's the most beautiful thing.
It doesn't work for everybody.
It doesn't, it doesn't end happily in every situation.
So for that reason I think it has to be an option.
But ultimately I disagree with,
with doing it.
It's an, it's an,
(Daisy: Abortion)
it's a shitty thing
that you have to go through.
I'm sure. I'll never experience it,
but women I know who've done it,
it's been like, you know, the hardest dec..,
the hardest decision they've ever had to make
to go actually through with it.

Daisy:

But then, the problem is that today,
you know, actually I have a friend in Australia
and she's had five abortions
and she's 28.
(Luke: Yeah)
and she is using it as a form of contraception.
And she said I just had my fifth abortion
when I last went home,
and I said to her
"Do you know like know about the pill,"
or you know other forms of contraception.
And she said, yeah but if I,
if I take the pill, you know,
I'm gonna gain weight,
and this is just like,
she's, just become such a superficial person
where she can check herself in her lunch break,
break into an abortion clinic,
have an abortion,
come out and go back to work
and has no emotional attachment whatsoever.

Vivian:

See? In that situation, it is extreme.
(Vivian: Extreme and it's unexceptable,
it's amoral, you know)
Well, obviously, we have a group of people here,
that.., you know we don't have any extreme people,
you know, we're not extremely pro-choice or pro-life.
But how about we attack this question?
We obviously are kind of pro-life
but also pro-choice,
for the extreme pro-choice people
of course they wanna say, hey,
from day one,
from day one the child is alive and
you can't kill it after that day. Right?
(Daisy: Pro-life people)
Right. So I mean where exactly in your opinion is,
does life begin?
Because in America I think for most states,
you know, abortion is legal or not,
uh, or illegal in states depending on,
it's their decision.
But, um, usually I think it's two months is the...
(Daisy: You can have an,
you can have an abortion up to your first trimester)
Right. Somewhere around there.
So in your personal opinions
how far can you take it or
you shouldn't take it at all?

Bow:

I already answered that earlier
I said that I believe it's
right from the beginning even
before the egg and the sperm meet.
It's life in, everything.
(Vivian: Do you think?)
Yeah, I believe that.
(Vivian: You too, Luke? How about you Daisy?)

Daisy:

Yeah, well, you know, I believe that
I said that, you know,
shortly after conception I believe it's becoming a child,
a baby, a human.
But I don't believe that it's a life
until it's connected with the mother and mother has connected with it.
And I believe that when the woman makes that decision
that I'm going to have this child
and I'm going to love this child or
I'm going to carry this child,
so it'll be loved by someone else
then it's a life
and then it's a life that it's important.
It's important.

Luke:

It's becomes, I just think it's a life from the beginning
but as it becomes more complex,
it's a trickier decision.
It's sorta like how you feel bad about like, uh,
killing a bird, but you don't feel bad about squashing a bug.
It's all life, you don't feel bad about plucking a dandelion.
It's just higher things that we see as being more close to us
are harder for us to try to snuff out.
And as a child develops and grows and
becomes more like us with our own like genetic material.
I think that's when it really starts to become uh,
like you.

Vivian:

The reason why I ask this question is because,
sure when we look at it that way it's,
it's an, a simple answer, hey,
you know, it's, it's life from the beginning or what not.
But what if we made that situation more complicated,
what if it was your daughter, Bow,
and she was raped by some stranger on the street and,
listen, listen, and she is only a teenager,
she's young, she was raped,
she doesn't know who the hell this person was,
you know, and what if she is put in that situation,
what if she didn't know she was pregnant, hey?
Oh! And wait,
what if she's a lot of people,
no, a lot of people don't show until
what they're third or fourth months.
Am I right, Daisy?
I mean, what if she found out after the first trimester,
after a certain point
where a lot of people don't agree,
hey, after this point you shouldn't have it.
But what if the situation is totally  she's too young,
she's, you know, emotionally upset,
and she cannot accept this.
What if she made the choice that she doesn't want it.
How would you feel about that?

Bow:

Now? (Vivian: Yeah)
Well, that's the thing I'm the Dad of this person.
You're a woman.
What if it was you?
What would you do?
I don't, I don't know what I will do.

Vivian:

Yeah, OK. What if it was your partner,
and what if it is your female counterpart.
Then it's your choice together, right?

Bow:

Yeah, I don't know what I would do.
What would you do? If it was you?

Vivian:

But see that's what I'm asking.
When you simply say,
when is, when does life begin,
and how far can you take it,
you guys earlier said from day one.
But then when you complicate the situation
you really can't give an answer.

Daisy:

Well, you can. Because the law says
after your first trimester you cannot legally have an abortion,
and I, I would be pretty.., uh...

Vivian:

But not in all countries.

Daisy:

Well, almost all of them.

Vivian:

But. Let's say that wasn't true, that's,
what it is the whole.

Daisy:

Say that wasn't true?

Vivian:

No, no, no. I'm saying the whole issue,
is they're still arguing
where does life begin,
where does it end,
whether to make this legal or not.
I mean that's what I'm asking.
If the situation was complicated like that I mean,
it was your own daughter,
or your own mate,
I mean, could you say?

Luke:

Once they hit elementary school,
it's too late to abort.

Vivian:

Yeah, I think so too.

Daisy: Yeah, definitely.
I don't know, I mean that's a tough,
you know, I mean, that's basically the scientific evidence
that most pro-lifers are arguing with with pro-choicers.
And you know, I just,
the scientific information,
for me it's more of uh, a spiritual thing.
I think that it is wrong
to just use abortion as contraception
which we've all said.
But I do believe that it is a connection that,
that connection makes life,
our connection with each other,
our relationships with each other,
and my future relationship with my child
when I have a child I know I'm pregnant
and when I accept that
and I'm already loving that child and bringing it into life,
that's when the connection for me would be.
And I think most women feel that way.

Luke:

And I think it's easy to talk about,
talk about, you know,
when you're in a vacuum and saying,
this is the right thing,
and I'm morally like this,
and I believe in this thing.
But, uh, yeah, unless you have experienced all the emotions that come with it.
And the actual going through with it.
Who knows what you're gonna do?
(Daisy: Exactly)
I mean, you don't know what you think.
It's easy to like take this hypothetical situation,
(Daisy: Sure)
and say, well you know, after thinking through it and stuff,
and go through all this pedantic sort of B.S.
But I mean yeah, doing it is,
actually where you're gonna find your answer
and being put in that situation
you can't rationalize that.

Bow:

Well, that's why it is, what it is today.
Everything's messed up,
because everybody,
not everybody has gone through it.
So we have these opinions which we think
this could be a basic foundation
but people will still
from now until the end of time they will still um,
keep talking about this,
(Daisy: Sure)
and keep going through the same situations over and over again.
You just keep your opinions,
you know, like what you think and you try to do
but you hope of course a situation like
that would not happen.
But if it does arise
then you try to deal with it as it comes.

Daisy:

Sure, that's fine.
These people in the government
(Luke: Speaking on your behalf of course)
are going to make decisions about my future and my body,
and I wanna have a say in that.
I'm not impressed
when conservative Rush Limbaugh
or whoever else it happens to be in government at the time.
Would stand up there and tell me
what rights I have as a woman,
and what I can do with my body,
I'm offended.

Bow:

But there are also republican
or conservative women in congress
who're voting for these laws too.

Daisy:

Yes, there are.
But they have a right to talk about that.
Because they are women,
I accept that.
But I don't,
I, I, draw the line
when I've got a bunch full of white male conservatives
discussing my future
and other women's future.

Vivian:

Right. I agree with that,
but I do believe,
I'm sorry to go against all the females out there.
But I do believe they do have a word in there,
because, um, a very small word.
I'm not saying a big word.

Luke:

I think for a woman in a situation
where it wasn't uh,
a mutually mutual relationship this has happened,
an experience to people I know.
Um, not, not a close situation,
all of a sudden a pregnancy came up unexpectedly the man was,
I want no part of this,
and the woman was like and don't sweat it,
I don't want to make you a part of it. That's fine.
If you're, if you're interested
in pursuing it further than go ahead but,
I'm choosing to go...
go ahead with this anyway.
And I think the guy eventually sort of just came around to the idea.
He wanted to be a part of it...
like she was gonna go through with it anyways.
She was like I'll find a way,
I\m really gonna do this,
I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna do it.
And then she came,
and then the guy was just sort of like uh,
she's doing it without me.
That's half my kid, man.

Bow:

Actually, you know, I think that happens in a lot of cases,
um, one partner makes the decision
and it's like somebody is waiting for the other one to say,
yes, we can do this.
And then once you get that consensus,
then you go ahead and then you find out what child rearing is,
child bearing and child rearing
and it turns out to be a very rewarding experience.
Exactly. Thank you.

Luke:

A rewarding experience.

Vivian:

I just wanna touch on what that just reminded me of... was.
What if the woman were to go ahead and consent to this and say
that she wanted the baby
and there was the male
who didn't want anything to do with it.
Doesn't he have something to say,
when he says I don't want my child being born.
What about that aspect of this story, no?

Bow,
Daisy:

No.

Vivian:

No?

Luke:

I don't think so,
I don't think I'd feel in a place that I've ever tell a woman,
you have to take that child's life, if she felt,
she felt, if she felt that she was good enough to do it
and she was up for the job,
no one else would be more qualified than her.

Vivian:

OK. Let's wrap up with maybe a comment from each of us.
How do you feel over all and maybe then,
some thoughts?

Bow:

Um, I think Daisy brought up a really pertinent point which was,
which can kind of almost sum up everything which is that
education is the key point.
(Vivian: Definitely)
And, uh, educate people,
and let them know what's going on as much as you can,
put more money into the schools
for that purpose and uh...

Vivian:

And the parents should get involved, too.
It's not just schools,
(Luke: Talk to your kids, to your kids)
don't make it just the schools' or governments' responsibility.

Daisy:

Hopefully, you know, if we are able to do that,
if we are talking to our children,
and we are teaching them in schools,
getting them as much information as possible,
and trusting their judgment,
maybe they won't even get to the situation
where they'll have to think about abortion. But,
you know, we've got to do something.

Vivian:

And sadly enough if you were put in that situation,
this is my personal opinion,
but I think each situation is different regardless if it's pregnancy,
or violence, or what not.
You have to kind of take it for each circumstance
(Daisy: Right)
on its own.
We can't just judge everything.

Daisy:

There is no black and white.

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