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4. 第3册1.Jobs and EducationB面43分12.5秒到58分18秒结束的语音文本
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Luke:
But another thing is you gotta ...realize that
...as time goes on ...you're not
....(you not)...just static entity,
.... you know,(mm).... if you structure education ...out over time ...like
.......(way).. the way ...I was thinking ...and the person ....I was... when I... first started university
....(Vivian: it changes).
... it's totally I'm totally ....different person
...(and). and can I qualify ...a person,
.....can I ....qualify the person ....that I was.
... seven years ago.... to make all the decisions.
... for what I'm going to do... for rest of my life. (right)(I was)
....I was, ....I was a bonehead ...back then.(haha..).
... I'm still not much.... better now .(haha..)...but
..(I wouldn't)..I wouldn't trust the person
....I was then..... to make the decisions ...for who I am today.
Vivian:
Even the person you are .....in one year
....you change dramatically
.....and then .....7 years ....think about it.
....(Luke: sure) ....and (me) for me even
..... when I first went ....into school again
....it was just like.
... I was just living a totally ....different life
....than everyone else.... my age
.... that.... school was not for me ....at that time,
.... you know,.... it was... everyone was
....(was).. experiencing freedom and
....having the time away... from their parents..
.. for the first time ...partying every night.
....I was partying too but .....I also had
....a full time job....(haha)
.... (Luke: different ....responsibility)
....exactly, ....I just had ....different ambitions
......it was so much different from .....my fellow,
....you know, ....classmates so.
... it just was not right ....for me... at that time.
....I did want the education but .....it just seemed like that I would be..... pushed backward almost
.....being influenced .....by the people.... that were next to me
....and I was just thinking
....I think.. I wanna come back ...after
... I have matured a little more myself,
.... second, ....(when I) .(when).
....when I have more clear grasp of
......what I wanna study and......(mm)
.... that I do want to study
....and I maybe then ....I would be able to concentrate
.....a bit more on my studies.
....I knew then already that
.....I wanted to study seriously
.....and not be parting every night
....and studying ...in the day time..... I wanted to.
.. just ...study and work.
Luke:
Even if you know.... what you want to study ...at a certain time. (mm)
...(Vivian: It changes)
....the reality (the reality)
.... (and)...and... so does the technology
....and the work force .......and what's available
....out there ...and things ....move so fast these days.
.... that there's no such things as job
.....as security as
...(as) our parents... knew or whatever. (mm)
....So the bottom line is,
...yeh,.... to be taught the most valuable.
.... thing you can get
.....from any school education
.....is how to be well rounded
....and how to (mm) ( how to).. be able to move.... and adapt(mm)
....and how to just have ....a whole bunch of ....different strengths..(mm)..
.... and...(and). be able to change.. at will ....whenever ...something changes.... in the work force
..... or in( in in) what ..job's demand.
Vivian:
So virtually.... like anything else in life
.... education is..... another
....complicated thing ....because .
...you can't ....do one ....and not.... complete the other.
..... I mean ....we were just talking about earlier ....how you want to
...(um)....find peace ....with yourself
......so you can..... go after.. the topic
....or the major ....that you want to study... in school.....
..... and (what) what will make you happy.... and yet.
... now you have to be well
.... rounded still..... to keep your job
....and to keep that .
....you know security.... in your job
.... and it's not as easy as... pie.
Daisy:
....Well, .....I think that ....the.. really important.... issue here is that ..
.....(um)........your education .....is not just something.
.... you get from college
.... that ...it's also .....an ongoing process(mm)
.....whether that be in your job .....or in your life
..... and I (um)personally
......I hope to call myself a student ......until the day I die.
..... I think ...(they uh)..the more you learn.
.... the less you realize..... you know(mm)
..... and..(um).. it just encourages
......you to continue ......that education.... and to learn more.
Vivian:
(well) And if you are
.....a well ..developed person
...(um)..and you get along..... well with the people
..... that around you and stuff..
... you know ....as we were talking about earlier .....the(is uh)..
...(that's)....street wise ....kind of person.
.....You, ....you .....further yourself in the... work place as well .....because ....if you look at people who
.....aren't so.... you know .....don't get along ....so well with people around them.
...... then you can succeed as far... just because you're talented.
Bow:
But to reiterate ....what Daisy was saying
.....is that um...
....I want to make this point. .(that).....You don't necessarily
...have to go to college.... to get an education. (right)
....And I will give you .....another example ....that
... when I was (um)...living in Korea.... I had decided to.
... stop living in Korea.... and go to... graduate school.
....And... the reason was ....because I..(I um)
... believed ....all that stuff ....like you have to educate
.....yourself you have to go... to institution.
.....So I (wen)..(oeng)....(so I.) went to..... the graduate school.
.... that I was going to apply to... it was an art school
..... and (uh).. I met ....some of the students in there ....and they were so .....colorless
.....and I thought they would be ....so great because..... they are artists..... and stuff but they were all
.....kind of....(mm) they had the same kind of
..... M.O. as ...just like any kind of student. ...Whereas
...the people that.... I meet here in Korea
....are so much more colorful
........and I( I)... learn so much more from them ...and like
...(or or)..or other people like.... that come here from..... different countries of the world I learn.
.... so much more than.... having that paper.
Vivian:
Well ....you know you gotta think that
.....being in a foreign country
.....and you have so many people
.....from different lands... come here.
....Those people that came here ....they're not
...run of ...the mill... kind of people..,
.....they're.., .....first... they gotta have guts ...to go
...somewhere else and.... they were interested.
... in learning more ....and growing ...and developing
...within themselves.
Bow:
...(and) Yes, ...I agree and also
....(um) I thought.(of all) .....I'm not (I'm )gonna to graduate school.
.... and I'm gonna make... the world my class room.
.....And another way ...would be..(um)
... this is good .....base to travel to.
... other countries .....and learn about other cultures .
...which I really..... haven't got the chance.... to do ...but
....again (um) ....you can still ....do that without
.... visually seeing that .....a little bit
....like vicariously ....through other people ...that do(mm)
.... and go and have ..these experiences (se uh)
.....you know like people.(um)
... that were there they might
......think about going to Thailand ....but
.... would they really know why
.....would they have a lot details of.... like uh,
.....why they would (want to)... wanna go there
..... or do they just wanna go to like
.... cool beach and do drugs ...you know.(mm)
Daisy:
Well you know (I).
..I agree with everything
.... both of you have just said
.... but I... also think .....an education.... cannot be replaced
....if you (um)...enter
....that institution or.... that education
....for the right reasons.
....I don't think ...the right reason .
...are going ....for the job
....on the Wall street (sure)..or the six figured salaries.
.... But if you go into that... institution
.... and ..you're..(men men ).. mentally prepared.
... for what you're going to learn
...and you're ...using..... that information
.... in a practical way(mm)
... not just in the.... theoretical way
.... that society ...has told you... should use it.
....Then I don't... think there's anything ...that can
....(um)..replace ...that type of education.
Bow:
We might all agree ...at that point.
....But ..then again.... like.(um)
.. it still is...(the) the fact that people
.....need that piece of paper... to get on.(sure)
Vivian:
(right)...Yeh reality bites.(yeah ) (yeah)
Daisy:
That's true. ....I think you do ...if you want to
...(m)..be in a profession... that requires.... you
... to have a science degree
....or that requires you
..... to have a degree in psychiatry ....or whatever .
..of course... it's necessary.
Vivian:
..(Or you just can')
....Or you just can't ....get beyond the barrier.
... there are still people
....who practice and.... who work in those field
..... they may not have a piece of paper
..... but most of time in general ...you need it.
Daisy:
Right,..(right)... but(I).. I specifically talking about
...(um).....professions like psychiatry.
....I mean ..you can.., .(sure)..
....because psychiatrist unless you
....have 7 year degree.
Vivian:
Unless you're Dear Abby.(hahaha...)
Bow:
(but ,you know)...Also(uh)
....I think this is.... philosophy
...of the x-generation.
.. which is.. while I go
... bust my butt.. for 4 years ......and get my degree
.... but now ..I'm gonna be a bartender
....because it's more fun(mm)
...and if I like lose my job.
Vivian:
You still have security.
Bow:
Yes. ...I just can go back.... and become a history teacher.
Daisy:
I don't see... anything bad... with that though.
Bow:
But I don't either.
Daisy:
I don't ( I don't)..see anything wrong with it.
Bow:
No, I'm not saying it... in negative way.
Vivian:
It's a something insurance.
Daisy:
No.
Bow:
I am just stating the fact.
Daisy:
I think so a (a) bartender
....with university degree
....that has a broad knowledge
...of history or
....(or)(or).. you know ..psychology
....would be a fascinating bartender.
I'd go to that bar.(mm)
.... He probably make(no) ...a good living owning a bar
..... and tending that bar
...(I what'e the thing uh)..... I don't see any problem with that.
Bow:
The job bartender... is derogatory.
Vivian:
(yeah) But any job.(yeah)
Bow:
(on on) Another job ....that is outside of your major.
Daisy:
That's the thing.... I think that
....it doesn't matter... what you study
....that education ....somewhere down the track
.... is going to benefit you .....as long as you.
.. have approached ....that education.... with open mind
....and you've actually gained ...something from it.
Vivian:
And also.... you don't have to ....necessarily
... have..I mean.
... after you have that piece of paper... you are.. still educating yourself
.... not necessarily.... by going to school.... but..
... there are many people ....who educate themselves ...like I said
......my godfather ..to the States.
... still educates himself (mm)
....and is always looking for... a new... you know.
Daisy:
You know ..that's really..... important too,
.....furthering your education....and constantly
.....wanting to (uh).. get(um).... increase your knowledge
....but I also think that (time on)
....you know .....if we just approach... our education... in a different way
....without the capitalistic ideals ....behind it.
...(and) and thinking..(or)... or encouraging.... your children
....to go to school ....for different reasons
..... not because you have to win
....not because you have to.. be this or .......do that
....just for the reason ...that education
....was originally created.... by Greek philosophers
....you know .(mm)..to improve.... you as human being
.... to grasp the higher faculties.... and get something from them.
Vivian:
And maybe before .....we close ...since we talked about
....early education
.... you know..... later on education
.... life now and work.
.... Maybe we should touch base.
.... before we end the conversation....
.... on... you know..... education in your later years... you know
.... these days you hear... a lot about people
....going back to get ..that piece of paper (mm)
.....or ...you know still... like..... I said my ....godfather still.
... I mean.... he has had that.. piece of paper... but still
...continuing to (mm)
....you know ...strive ..for more ....and higher education.
...(uh) Do you think ...you still be
....studying and.
... maybe groping more.... knowledge?
Luke:
I don't know ..if I'll be
....academically studying.
... I might be.... I'd like to leave the option open.
.... I wouldn't be..(um)
.. I wouldn't feel ashamed.... or
...(or)...like I ....was going backwards..(mm).. by going back to school
...if it was something... that interested me.
... but I just think(that)..
... that hopefully ....the kind of jobs I'll ....end up with
.... will allow me to..
... explore different avenues.(mm)
.... and to grow in different ways
.... and to become more enlightened
.... with different things and ....
....I mean ....that's kind of that's.. hopefully ..what it is...
.... they say ...you know ..(he)..the best way to(to)
... be successful ....and happy
... is to find something ...you really like (mm)
....and figure out a way to get ...paid for..(yeah).
... it and if you can do that... that's pretty good.(haha...)
Daisy:
(well)..You know I ..(I)..definitely agree
.... with everything you just said I.... hopefully
...I want to always.... be a student
...whether it be.
... at an academic institution.... or student of life
....but... I ....(I) believe.... when I was last at
....college I.... took a few philosophy classes.... and I loved them
....and I think... that's my next step, (mm)
....I'm gonna go ...back ....and I'm gonna get another degree... in philosophy ....not for my job
.....just because ....I love it
...and.. that ..is.... I think the essential
... reason... for studying.
... If you love it ...and you ...are interested it
... then go and study it.
Vivian:
Right..... I definitely. agree,
...(uh)...I found that I ....am very satisfied
....oh I wanna learn... this (s)or
.... (or) these days ..I wanna take lessons doing this
....because it satisfies me
....not because ....it's going to get me
....(and for uh higher up on that chain,
....It will eventually, ...It satisfies me .....and gives me some sort of ....personal gratification.....
.... being able to... learn another... you know ....trade
...or ...learning more... knowledge.
Luke:
I think of a lot of employers ...(when they).
....when they are... looking to hire someone
.... the way that everyone these days ....is so
.. over qualified.(mm).. for so many jobs.
.... People have gone to school ....for so long
...and have learned ...so much about
....so many jobs about their fields... and stuff so specialized.
.... I think the really difference ....is the edge.. you'll get
....is ..this is being well rounded interesting person. (right)
...I mean no one wants to work.... with someone
....whose the best and very intelligent (mm)
....and very hard working
.... but has ...a lame personality...(right ,it's right).
.. and is a total deadbeat... to hang out with,
....You work with your co-workers
....you wanna be to able to get ..
.along with them you.. wanna be ...stimulated ...by them you wanna be ...interested
..(in).in them... you have to work ...with the people,
Bow:
I disagree kind of a little bit. .....Yes ...at some points I do
...agree (like)depending... on the job
... what if it's like ...NASA,.
.. I don't really want .(mm)...or like heart surgeon
....I don't want the... guy joking around.
Luke:
(The majority )The majority of jobs (yeah yeah) ..I'm saying.
Bow:
The lame jobs ...like accounting and stuff.(haha...)
Daisy:
I don't know.... a heart surgeon with a
...(with a)...(with a.personality)...humorous ....personality
Bow:
Ok, ....Maybe like ...when he's not.,,
Vivian:
Squeezing your heart,
Bow:
Maybe outside ...or something..,
.... Hey you want hear a joke.
.... You got three days to live.
Daisy:
Yeh with scalpel in your head.
Bow:
Just kidding.
Luke:
I mean...(how). how much of your time
....of course ...part of whole(work)
... work thing and having.... a cohesion... in any work.
... environment is... (is)you do you work ....for a bit
...and you work well together
.... but then you're not working
....when you get to kick back a bit
....can you have anything ...to talk about.... can you hang out it's cool
....can you go..... for some beers after a hard days' work.
.... I am sure guys ...from NASA ....go out for beers ..after a hard days' work.(sure)
Daisy:
That has to be ....in any working environment
....whether it be NASA ...or whether it be (um)
...this studio here.. some kind of camaraderie.(haha). between people.
.... And you know ....that is something that life
....and living ....and relationships ...can only give you.
....So.. I think that.... you know.... in closing.... that (um)
....an education is...
.... irreplaceable ....and it's very important
....but we have to.
... look at the reasons ....why we are educating ourselves.
.. once again.
Vivian:
Right.
Luke:
And also ....try to foster ....in our own children
....and ..in our schools
....and.. in our teachers
.... an attitude ...of.
... not competition ....with another not
...(and not)..... by route ..appreciation ..and learning of things
....but(um).. an....(an)... absorbing of things.... internalization of ideas.... and an ability to interact
........ and cooperate with your peers .(mm)...throughout all ...stages of growth .(mm)...and throughout education ....
....because those are the values.
... that ..are really ....those are the traits ...that really valued
....when you are... in an actual job's ...situation
....and ...which will ....benefit ...everyone
.....like all of humanity... in the long run,
Vivian:
(uh)Ok.... and also you know... I think..(um).
... and foster ....other ways... to educate them ...like ...
....don't make them lazy
... like we're... talking about... x-generation...(mm)
.... encourage them.... to have part time jobs
....while they're at school
.....so that they learn.... other lessons as well.
Bow:
Um ...and also ....I think that(uh)
....our views today.... I wanna say ....this to our listeners... that(um)
.... you know.. our views ....have been really... pretty ..much liberal. (mm)
....You know... a lot of conservative ....views out there.. people will say ....
.....no this is the right way (mm).
...and it really is ...up to you
... these are our opinions ...(mm)
....and uh, ....you know ...everyone... has different opinions
....this group ...here just has... more
....I think... liberal opinions... than other people.
Luke:
Yes ....but .(yeah...)..if truth ...really be known. ...We're right.(haha...)
Daisy:
Amen.
Vivian:
We hope.
Luke:
We know it.
