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1. Love and Marriage


SIDE A


Hello, We're here gathered together in holy matrimony, no actually we're here to talk about that sacred thing that we call marriage or living together.

Vivian: Um, Let's all introduce ourselves.
Daisy: O.K. Well I'm Daisy, and I'm married and I'm on the verge of divorce.
Bow: Hi, everybody, my name is Bow, and I'm married and I think the institution of marriage is just great.
Luke: Um, my name is Luke, um I'm still looking for that special someone to make all my dreams come true.
Vivian: Hey. I think, I'm Viv, and I think legal is regal but I don't need it so I have a perfectly happy relationship with someone and we don't plan to get married any time soon and perhaps never.
Luke: That was cool, those rhyme?? I wish I had thought of that.
Vivian: Anyways let's continue on.

Vivian: I'm sure each person agrees that everyone is made a little bit differently, uh... some people may be suitable for them and some may not be. And you may find the right companion for you, during your life time. And others find that they may choose to go another path now I'd be curious to find out how you feel about the companion in a marriage you know.., or children.., whatever. Go ahead, urn, Luke?

Luke: Well, I don't know, maybe I'm a bit of an optimist or something. But I think I haven't find her yet, but I believe that, there is a girl out there, that is just 100% compatible with me. Like the 100% perfect girl for me, and I just got to go out there and I got to see the world until I find her. And then totally I'm just gonna spend the rest of my life with her and there is no questions asked, um it will be, I'll know it when it's the time and it's gonna be great and I'm not gonna have to worry about anything.., and I'm gonna set myself up with a little piece of farm land and I'm just gonna make babies for the rest of my life.

Daisy: The three kids in the three bedroom house the whole deal.

Luke: Well, yeah to a degree. I just wanna drop-out, you know I wanna work hard now then I wanna drop by the society, I don't wanna be part of this rat i race anymore but I mean, I've got to stay interested in it, I've got to stay in the game and the only way you can do that, is just by being in love with someone who. I'm 100% on the level with and totally together with. And I have faith that I'll find her, hopefully soon.

Vivian: But what makes you feel that? Well I mean not that you won't find her but I'm saying why do you feel the drive or the need to find a companion in your life? And what makes you think that, that would be so nice? (Daisy: Where's the feeling?)

Luke: It's kind of empty without it, isn't it? I mean your whole world is made up of all these like individuals going around trying to find something in common with.., as many other people as possible. And just trying to like make a connection, but a whole bunch of really superficial connections like,... I don't know.., like what're your hobbies, what's your job, people join clubs to find people and so they can talk about similar things and so they can sort of have a common ground to start a relationship with.

Vivian: So (Daisy: Romantic.) you don't think that, you don't think that, there would be any reason or way, I mean do you think that this will be your lifetime partner? What about divorce? You don't see that in the picture? I mean, do you think that, by chance, you might end up with the wrong partner? And do you believe in perhaps remarriage or finding a second companion you weren't compatible.

Luke: No, I don't believe that at all, I think, everything that's been leading up to, urn, in my whole life in the relationships I've made with members of the opposite sex romantically, there's always been something missing, there's something that is not quite there, it doesn't click on some level, and you have this initial attraction maybe, but then as you find out more about each other, eventually you become a little bit, the passion fades and stuff, and you don't become that, and you're not into them anymore. But I think that it is possible to just click with somebody so well, and you just realize you just go on and go on, the attraction just gets better and better because as you discovering things about them you realize how much they have in common with you, but it's a very rare thing, I mean I don't think everybody necessarily even finds it in their life.., but I think that that is something we can strive for. The dating process is just like auditions you're just learning about people and then someone gets the parts, someone you cast in the leading role in your life.

Daisy: So you're determine to like search out that person and until you find that person you're satisfied with being alone or, or like maybe dating or,...

Luke: I'm happy dating and stuff, but I don't do it just for the sake of doing and like I definitely have an ulterior motive that's, I wanna find that person, it's a, it's a ...there's a definitely I mean to, I mean I'm trying to have fun in the meantime, but there's that emptiness there, that's, that's just, you know, by playing the field I just don't get that, that support I need.

Vivian: Ah So you're a sensitive guy, and you're looking for that Mrs right.

Luke: No, well, if you wanna put it in Dear Abbey terms, yeah I guess so

Vivian: Ok. Well, let's move on to Bow then. Bow, you're in a very stable marriage with three kids. I mean, you're happy where you are?

Bow: I'm extremely happy. It's probably the best decision I've ever made in my life, and I totally see where... Luke is coming from, I mean being my brother and all we are pretty much, you know, sensitive guys, so ... um ... yeah. I went through the same thing as him and ... it's tough in the beginning, I mean it's hard to find that Mrs. Right, but if you just keep looking and your compassionate about it, you do find her and you do,.., and the institution of marriage is just the ultimate thing for a man. It's just great, it's the fusion of not just your bodies but also your souls, you're soul mates.

Daisy: And what made Mary Lou so right for you, Bow?

Bow: It must have been, like, she just had twinkle in her eye. I could see deep into her soul, like I just knew that her soul and my soul were like two souls that, we're made for each other.

Vivian: One soul.

Luke: You lucky dog. See that's what I want see that's what I want to look at that I'm just like, that's it, man.

Bow: You can get there. You will someday, man.

Daisy: Right, well, see, you know, I'm kind of in the opposite situation from you guys, because, uh... well, what can I say, I was looking, I thought for exactly the same things, and I thought I'd found Mr. Right, and we've been married now for five years. And we've... I really, I have to admit I've tried. I really have tried, I put in the time.

Vivian: Did you love him when you first married him? And up to what point did you think that you loved him. I mean do you still love him?

Luke: When did it fade, when did it change?

Vivian: And why?

Daisy: Oh, well, I don't know, I cannot put this into words. Let me see, well, for me, yes, I did love him. I was both in love and in lust with him, when I met him.

Vivian: And did he love you too, I mean, was it a mutual thing, you really had that love, I mean... Luke There, That's the only way it works.

Daisy: I think so, I think, I really think that he did feel that way, you know, the thing is it that, it's really easy to be idealistic, and when you're in the white dress in your, you have this wonderful guy who's proposing to you. And, and your, there's the whole Cinderella, you know fairy tale ideal that's behind a wedding. And um, here I was walking down the aisle thinking that everything was gonna be wonderful, we were gonna have the three kids the house and the dog, and the B.M.W. in the drive way. And um, all of a sudden we had the house, and ok we didn't have children but.., there was something missing. And we... I think we started this on just an ideal and we weren't prepared for the realities of marriage. It's much more than those ideals.

Luke: Well, it's nothing, but it's nothing that's insurmountable, it's not anything that you can't overcome with communication, and genuine concern for the other person's well-being.

Daisy: Yeah, but the thing is where I'm at now, Luke is, I really, I don't know, if I can go on anymore, I mean, I think we've passed the point, maybe we should have been doing that communicating way back before, and now I'm in this situation where, I don't really wanna be with him, do I love him? I love him in the sense that I care about him, because I've been with him for a long time, I don't want anything bad happen to him. I wanna be able to help him as a friend if possible, but I'm certainly not in lust with him, and here's the thing I'm at this point in my marriage where I wanna be with other people. I, basically I wanna go out, and I want to be with other people.

Bow: Oh, that's a shame.

Vivian: What about, if you're in the circumstance, I mean, what if your situation involved children? I mean, would you still think of ending the relationship, I mean.., what about children?

Daisy: Yes, that's, well, all I can say is that I'm thankful that I don't. But you know, I think that would make it much more difficult, but in today's day and age maybe we could have a relationship where I have the kids one week and they have the kids the other week.

Vivian: So, is that what you gonna do with your poodle?

Daisy: Well, Yes, I mean that's another thing. I don't know what I'm gonna do with the dog either. But...

Luke: The dog is just a superficial thing.., that's just some sort of thing that you were using as some kind of glue to keep yourselves together. I think you should give it another chance, I mean, you've got this person, you've obviously made it this far, well, what you need to do is bring it to the next level. You need to have a child, you need to make, need to make an another commitment, I mean, life is just a series of commitments, (Daisy: But, the what about...) You got to go deeper and deeper and keep challenging yourself and then ... it's too easy, people just throw things out when they don't work out (Vivian: No.) and it's too easy. You've got to start seeing things through. I think, well, that's, that's your prerogative, but I think that people have to continue to challenge themselves and to continue to commit themselves to things and then they realize only down the road, I've made these commitments, "Oh my, God, I've had a very rich and fulfilling and beautiful life. And a child would be the thing that you need right now, to get yourselves back on the same track, to get yourselves together and to get back on that horse and, go out there and have a beautiful loving relationship again.

Bow: I totally agree.

Vivian: Well, I totally don't, I don't think Daisy has to go back to, I mean, to find another commitment to hold her in there, to string her into this relationship. I mean, she wants to find freedom, she wants to go find another soul mate, let her be. Why should she be tied down?

Daisy: Well, It wasn't necessarily a soul mate. It was just kind of um... mates.

Bow: Was it a one night stand?

Daisy: Yeah.

Bow: And turned into a marriage?

Daisy: No, no, no, no, I was talking about when I get a divorce. I wasn't looking for other soul mates, just mates.

Luke: I bet you're looking for just like sexual partners.

Daisy: Well, at the moment, yes.

Luke: Well, you can't do it like that, I mean this is what I've been doing, this is the dilemma I have. I'm empty, I'm like a, I'm just like an empty vessel floating through the sea, because I don't have that anchor to hold me to anything.

Daisy: Well, you know, we are just basically extremes on one scale, aren't we, Luke?

Luke: Well, I guess so, but I just would say from my position, I mean the grass can look always greener from where you're sitting, but I mean, it isn't always necessarily so, and I think that you think you'll gain all this freedom and stuff, but you're losing a whole lot of really important things.

Daisy: Well, Toucher, You might come over to my green grass, and not find it so green.

Luke: Well, Yeah. but I haven't experienced what you've experienced, yet. I never had that, that happy unity with one other person. And stuck it out for five years. I've never been able to do that.

Bow: But I have, and I agree with Luke. I think that instead of looking for other sexual escapade, you should be looking for the new partner in your life, your soul mate. I mean it's.., there's nothing like having this like mutual respect for one each other, it's like a, let me give you an example like I work, you know a little bit.., like after seven o'clock sometimes, and you know, I might wanna go out and have a couple of beers with, my, my colleagues so, you know, I'll be back by ten, and I call my, my wife and I say "Darling, I'm gonna be a little late maybe about 10: 30" and she's like "Darling, no problem".

Luke: That's beautiful.

Bow: I mean that's, that's mutual respect.

Luke: Yes, that's beautiful, and I mean, that's, what it's all about, it's not like you've got an albatross around your neck anything. It's liberating, I think, I think once you find it, you realize that you have a whole different realm of freedom that you weren't even aware existed. (Bow: Totally) Freedom to be yourself, freedom to like fully give of yourself to another person. That's true freedom, that's true freedom.

Daisy: Well sure, it's freedom for you guys who work and get to go out, and lead good lives, while your wife is at home cooking and, cleaning, and she has no, you know, personal satisfaction.

Luke: I'll stay at home. I'd love to stay at home.

Bow: Um, Well me, personally, I mean, I have my own chores every day, we share the responsibilities of the house. I do laundry, I wash dishes, and I'm, you know I'll come home beat dead from work, at like nine or something, I mean, really late, I'd go to bed by like ten. But, I mean, my wife is watching the baby all day, and she might have like corns and calices on her feet, they might stink but, I'll still massage them, until my finger's almost bleed. And, I mean, that's what marriage is about.

Daisy: Well I don't know many guys like you, two.

Vivian: And I certainly don't.

Daisy: And I don't think there are a lot of men that are willing to do that.

Vivian: Willing to sacrifice, yeah.

Luke: They're everywhere, men just are, just looking for the excuse, they have all this, macho posturing and stuff that they just wanna go out and, and meet a lot a chicks, bust that's all a ruse. It's just because they're insecure ...

Daisy: And you don't wanna have sex with other women?

Vivian: Oh, but he does. He's saying he is experimenting until he finds that right one.

Luke: But the sex isn't just an incidental. I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it in pursuit of sex, I'm not, I'm looking for someone who, who I'm compatible with sexually but also emotionally, and like (psycho...) intellectually.

Daisy: Well, then why is it wrong for me to go out and have, um and play the field and have sex with other people and find my soul mate?

Luke: I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying, I'm just saying that you made this decision and there's a certain sanctity to marriage, but I think that, that it's sacred, and you have to uphold it no matter what, no matter what life throws at you, you've made this decision, and you didn't do it, just because it was a fluke, I don't believe any marriages happen by accident. I think that if you're gonna go that far, it's magic, and you know its magic, and you know it's gonna work out, yeah.

Vivian: Well, see, but she doesn't feel it, she doesn't know that it's magic. She doesn't feel it at all.

Luke: But, at that time, she did. She's just lost something that used to just be there, and she just has to rekindle that again. It's still there, (Daisy: But it's gone.) it's doesn't just go away you don't. People just don't like have something and it disappears. (Vivian: What if she's mistaken?) I mean, well, that she must have mistaken, well, then ... (Vivian: In the last it all?) I don't think she did. I don't think she did. I don't think that people make mistake like that. When it comes to matters of the heart, I think you know, you know right off the bat. Matters of the heart, you can be wrong about math equations, and you can be wrong about, like your positions on things or like on historical facts. But on matters of the heart you're always right. You can't, I mean intuition is everything.

Daisy: Like Michael Jackson and Lisa Mary Presley, (Michael, Yeah, Lisa Mary) or Dennis Rodman and or Carmen Electra.

Luke: I don't know these people, but I think if they were gonna make the big plunge, they were gonna go out and get married, and make these huge commitment to each other as this united whole. Two candles becoming one, you know. I think that something was there that is still there, it's just that the thing that made it work has gone, it's dormant now. And it's a matter of trying to find it again and bring it back up, (Vivian: O.K.) and I think anything is, like, just.., can be overcome. Any kind of conflicts you had, if you're in the bond of marriage, and you had the idea in the first place, (Daisy: Oh that’s a little naive, Luke.) it's real, it's real, no, it's real.

Vivian: How, how about not trying to rekindle that fire, but, just say, "Hey, the flame is gone, and it's died out, and you're never gonna find it again, so why not go and try to, come to a mutual understanding, and say "Hey, let's go and find another companion, or just find happiness in our lives"

Luke: Well, I think that's a very defeatist attitude, (Vivian: Why is it defeatist?) I think, I think it creates a very dangerous pattern for the rest of your life. If something, if something just doesn't work out, like you kind of get a thrill off it and then it's starts going on, and all of sudden, it doesn't have the same, the same kick it used to have and it doesn't, there's a diminished return you're getting from it, you don't just give up from it and walk away, I mean, what are you gonna walk away from your whole life, you gotta, you gotta, sometimes you've got to put yourself on the line, and this is one of those things where you have to do that.

Daisy: O.K. alright, O.K. Luke, well, Here's Sally and Ben, and, Sally and Ben, they grew up in high school together, and they had a wonderful relationship and they did that whole fairy tale wedding and they thought they were very happy, and well, somewhere along the line, Ben, kind of got a little bit violent, and he would beat Sally and beat the children and Sally tried to get him help but, he wouldn't get him help, and then Sally said, "well, you know, but this is the dream of our marriage? Should I stay here? And what about children? And there comes a point, don't you think when a woman in a situation like that, should leave?

Luke: Well, you left a part out there, because, you just said, all of a sudden, he just started beating them up? What changed? Like what did she do, what is, how did she change that made him start beating them up, like, I mean obviously (Bow: Exactly) there was, something there and it shifted and the situation was made different, that caused the man to start to becoming violent. (Vivian: That is) I mean, he didn't have that in high school, I mean, I hope if he was doing that in high school, she didn't like it. I assume she doesn't.

Daisy: Well, some people, some people have violent tendencies and they don't manifest them until later life, and perhaps he's just manifested them, maybe it was Ben's fault, and not Sally's fault.

Luke: Well, maybe, but, I mean, obviously not, he just didn't wake up and did (Daisy: You're attacking women, that's what you're doing) no I'm not, no I'm not, (Daisy: You are), I'm not at all, I'm just saying that obviously something changed in the situation and, maybe it was within Ben, like maybe it was frustration with his job or something like that. (Vivian: Exactly, maybe it was with him) I'm not saying that, and I guess in that situation, yeah, I mean, it makes it a lot harder, but I still think it's overcomeable, I think that if he could just, if he just could take the fighting element out.., that in him hitting them, then it would be a good marriage again, right.

Bow: Well, she could learn to fight back a little bit, you know.

Luke: Sure.

Bow: Defend herself a little bit.

Luke: Well, that might escalate things. Maybe that's not good. I, I don't think violence in a marriage is really gonna...

Bow: But then maybe he could see her as his equal again, and then get on with things.

Luke: Possibly, possibly.

Daisy: Well, What about, O.K. Mr. Love, please tell me then, what I'm gonna do. Here I am living with this guy, and I well obviously have, well I'm married to him, and I, obviously have some problems with him, but my thing is, is that the I've met another man at work, and I'm very attracted to him? And I'd like to have sexual relations with him. Now how do I stop myself from doing that?

Luke: Well, see, you've already created the pattern for yourself though, cause if you had the same feelings for this guy that you did for your husband, is it gonna, is gonna lead to, is gonna go down the same way?

Daisy: I don't want to get married again.

Luke: Well... well.., why?

Bow: Why, the marriage is...

Luke: You have to. I mean, If it's the right thing, if you feel that kind of attraction to him, you have to, you have to like consummate it.

Vivian: You can't have, oh consummate it with sex? You can't have a sexual relationship with someone without being married?

Daisy: You're doing that, man?

Luke: Of course, I am, but, I'm just doing it to discover about people, I'm trying to get at their inner souls.

Daisy: And you can only do that because you're a man, we can't. Cause we're female?

Luke: I'm not saying that?

Bow: It's not as good, I mean having sexual relations with, just a, you know, a person that you meet in a bar or something, it means nothing. It's 2- dimensional, it doesn't it matter how sexy they are?

Vivian: O.K. Daisy? Just you know, tell him.., let's meet at the bar and meet him all you want, and do whatever you want with him.

Bow: I mean, the thing...

Daisy: Well, yeah, you know there's a certain animal, kind of instinct, in humans, and maybe sometimes sex for the sake of sex is OK too, why does sex always have to be a flop? Why can't I fulfill my, my pure (Vivian: Animal magnetism) physical desires?

Bow: Because, you are married.

Daisy: Okay. Well, if I get a divorce, and I'm not gonna be married any more.

Luke: Yeah, O.K. well, then go ahead and get a divorce, but well, I mean it's your life, I mean, you screwed up your life.

Bow: Totally, I mean...you're gonna...

Vivian: Why is it that screwing up her life? Why does divorce have to ruin your life?

Luke: Because she's turning her back on the greatest thing that's ever happened to her. That's why.

Bow: The institution of marriage.

Luke: Exactly.

Daisy: Have you met my husband? No.

Luke: No, I have not.

Daisy: Yes, so, I don't think you're qualified to speak about it, Mr. Love.

Luke: Well, obviously, he must have something going from, because you married him and you've lived with him for five years.

Daisy: Yes, but that has gone. I'm not in love with this person anymore; I want to have sex with other people.

Vivian: It was a mistake, she said.

Bow: Or maybe, you know, you just weren't trying hard enough, you have to spice up your marriage like, you have to bring some toys into the bedroom, spice it up, you know...whips and...

Daisy: No, spice it up by bearing another child so that you're completely and forever eternally committed to that relationship?

Bow: That's my brother Luke's idea, you know, he, he's not married yet, he doesn't know, but I am. I have experience, and yes of course you know, we have our troubles every once in a while, but...

Daisy: He's just wants free sex like you, O.K.

Bow: That's not true.

Luke: That's not true.

Vivian: Don't get so defensive!

Luke: I wanna... I'm looking for a committed relationship, and I tell this to girls up front before I sleep with them, and that I'm looking for something serious, but, sometimes, it just doesn't click.

Daisy: I wanna hear about the toys.

Vivian: I say, that's a line.

Bow: I mean, the masks and specials I have order catalogs from Japan, which are really great, it... I mean, I spent a lot of money on batteries a month? But it's totally worth it. I mean, when you have an altercation, and all it takes is a double dong-dildo to rectify it, it's a... I mean, it's no problem, I don't see anything wrong with that, and you know, it's the thing with the people today they're so easy like a, my brother was saying, to just, you know, to throw away a marriage. But urn, for this, you're talking about going out and having sex, because you love sex...

Daisy: Well, would you to be willing to if your wife said to you "O.K. I love you, but I wanna be with another person, to be involved with us."

Vivian: All I want to be is sexually satisfied by, not a dildo, but by the real thing.

Bow: If that's what it would take to keep the fire in our marriage alive, then yes I would.

Vivian: You would let another man, if your wife said you "No, I want another man to satisfy me, I want to open our marriage, and take in new sexual partners" you would do that for your wife?

Bow: Yes, I would.

Vivian: Even though, that's like kind of breaking your marriage, vows. That's... I mean, that's just as good as going out and have an affair.

Bow: Well, that depends on what kind of religion you have, or what kind of standards, and...

Vivian: But, you guys are talking about the sanctity of marriage and the vows and not breaking them.., and how you should be forever committed to each other.

Bow: Exactly, which means that.., we'll do anything it takes to keep that alive.

Daisy: But, thus, do you really, can you sit here and honestly look me in the eye, Bow, and tell me.

Vivian: Look at her in the eye!

Daisy: And tell me, (Vivian: Don't roll your eyes!) you could watch another man having relations with Mary lou?

Bow: I mean, if, if, what it took was for, if she, if she asked.

Vivian: Don't break down on this.

Bow: If she asked me, you know, to have some sort of deviant relationship in bed, that's,...that's what I had to do, that's what I have to do!

Vivian: But I just asked you, what about the sacred vows of your marriage that you supposedly uphold so highly.

Luke: But I mean, if it's something that your partner wants, I don't think you have to be limited by the traditional ideas of marriage, of course, we're living in changing times. And people have different needs and different things that turn them on and stuff, and I mean there's room within a marriage to change some of those standard perceptions, I mean I think, um, I think it's important that people, that people find and make their own definitions of marriage. I think it's important that they, that they, just, that they seek out what's best for them, and within a marriage no one can touch that, that's just you and your partner, make it work however it has to, however it has to happen.

Vivian: So, why can't the same apply for Daisy, or I mean what if her, her husband came to a mutual agreement that their marriage isn't going to go anywhere, from here. I mean, that they mutually agree that this is the point where, you know that they're going to.

Bow: That's exactly what we're saying. We want her to try something before she gives up on her marriage.

Vivian: Not, not give up. I'm not saying try. I'm saying they both agree that they're gonna both go their own ways, and that they have tried.

Luke: I'm just saying that's a dangerous pattern to get into. I think once you've made that...

Vivian: Who says it's a pattern? Doing it once ...doing it once isn't, it's not like you're gonna divorce a hundred times in your life.

Luke: But you might get married. If you get married a hundred times what's to stop you from divorcing?

Daisy: No, well, No, I don't want to get married again. You know, everybody doesn't have to speak for me. I don't wanna get married again. And the thing is I think it's probably innately human for us to want to have more than one partner, and if I married a man that can not fulfill my needs, and then why should take the responsibility and onus all by myself, to fix that.

Luke: But, people. Its works better, if you would just stay with one person, that works better.

Vivian: Why do you have to be with one person, I never wanna get married I'm perfectly satisfied living my own life, and you know, you can perfectly, have a partner, and not get married, you can live the rest of your life with one partner, why must you get married? Is it some inevitable thing that you have to cross?

Daisy: Sure, and even if she doesn't want to get married, I mean, if she chooses to have a single life.

Vivian: And be faithful to him.

Daisy: Or not even have a partner, or not even have a partner, in today's society, there are several options if she wanted to be a mother, a single mother is nothing new in today's society. There's surrogate mothers, well, I mean, you know, there's so many opportunities out there for women, why do I have to choose this archaic, patriarchal, system, um that men created, marriage.

Luke: Well, no I mean, I'm sorry it's come to it that you see it that way but I think that you are missing out on one of the great treasures of life and that's...

Vivian: And How do you know, you're not even married, you just have this idealistic marriage um idea in your head..

Luke: O.K. How about this? I'll appeal to on a more of a legalistic and pragmatic angle, I mean, without marriage. You don't get all these tax-breaks and stuff and you don't get the same benefits that, that you'd get if you're married. If you're single, you're just living together that's not gonna, that's not gonna, that's not gonna hold up in a court-of-law. There are so many benefits you get. Just from a pragmatic point of view.

Vivian: I'll play your game. I'll adopt a kid, ha.

Bow: But you won't get respect from society, society doesn't, does not respect single mothers or single women.

Vivian: I'll donate, I'll donate. Why not?

Daisy: Because society is ruled by a government of white, conservative men, and there in lies the problem.

Vivian: O.K. What about this? Alright Bow, I honestly, don't believe you are satisfied with your marriage, you're not lustful of your wife, and she isn't of you. You guys are in it on your marriage, it's a functional marriage. You guys feel like you have to be with each other, you have to raise this picture (Daisy: Three kids) perfect family, exactly, and you are tied down by your kids and your dog and your BMW and your two door garage.

Luke: Have you never seen them together the way they're fawn over each other, and dote on each other?

Vivian: In front of others, sure.

Bow: You, just, you're saying that from lack of experience, you just haven't been there, once you cross over to the other side then maybe we can have this conversation.

Vivian: I don't wanna be on the other side. I'm perfectly happy living the life that I am.

Bow: Sure, promiscuous and just another man every other night and, you know, you don't know if you have a disease or, you know...

Luke: Ignorance is bliss.

Bow: Exactly.

Vivian: I get my pap smear every six months.

Bow: Doesn't matter, the thing is, it's not.., you're just thinking about sex in the, because of the, the function of sex. It just pure lust and that's not what it's all about, it's about like, yes, of course.

Daisy: Well, you're not thinking about the lust when you use those toys with your wife?

Bow: No, maybe, she is, but to me, (Daisy: Maybe she is), it's really, it's like um the ultimate of a... coming together, that fusion of marriage and love is, is intercourse, with each other and it's not just the function of it. It's, it's more like a union of our souls coming together, and it's not like, you know, of course, I think of other women as attractive, wow, she is really beautiful, and but.., it's more of an attraction to my wife, well, I mean, even when I see her naked with her stretch marks and her rolls, that's doesn't matter to me. It's just like, I don't even see that.

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Daisy: Right, (Bow: You don't even know) well, that's a beautiful thing, if that's true, but some, for most people, it doesn't, love doesn't exist on that level, and you can be with people and they become unattractive to you, and why at this age? My mistake was, I'll admit it, I don't have a problem with that I can admit my mistakes. My mistake was marrying too young. And now I'm at this point in my life where I want to move on. I need to progress, and I feel I'm not progressing with my husband, he has not progressed.

Bow: And how does he feel about it? Does he know about it?

Daisy: Well, actually he still wants to remain married, but he is still the same person that he was five years ago, and I feel I've evolved and I don't wanna be with him. I can't connect with him on the same intellect, the same level, that same soul mating that I had with him five years ago, is gone and I'm not attracted to him not in the slightest bit in fact when he touches me, I'd rather puke.

Luke: No, you're just going through a phase, it will pass, everybody goes through it, that's true. I think, I don't know, I think that attraction, you know, comes and goes, but really when it's the, when it's the right the thing it's never ends.

Daisy: Believe me baby, it's gone (Luke: No... No)

Bow: Ah, it might also be, I mean you seem to be getting close to that age of like menopause? So maybe that's it, like ... you know...

Vivian: Menopause after five years of marriage when she got married young?

Daisy: I'm only thirty years old.

Bow: Oh, I'm sorry.

Vivian: Anyways, I don't see the reason why someone has to remain married or get married. I mean you can seek out a different life style for yourself and that doesn't mean being promiscuous every night and sleeping with another man or woman, you can certainly...

Luke: But It does, it does mean that, if you just can't (Vivian: Why?) seem to, if you can't seem to find that one person that does it for you, and draws you into their world so much, you wanna be the part of that world, you wanna, you wanna love everything about this person, you know, you wanna know what they think (Vivian: But why have.., why?) you wanna know what they feel, you wanna, when you meet them you know, food tastes better and like colors are more vibrant and stuff.., that's...

Bow: You leave the door open when you go to the bathroom.

Luke: Yeah, there's a trust there, there's, there's a fully, there's a freedom and there's a genuine like ecstatic and rapturous joy, (Daisy: Well, then let me ask you this, boy.) that you get from just giving of yourself to another person.

Vivian: But why must you marry them, why do you have to make a vow and marry someone, it's, it's just a piece of paper, and.., it's a license (Bow: No, no.).

Daisy: And, further more, further more, urn, here you are Bow, you know, going on and on and on about the virtues of a marriage, your marriage values when you walked into that sanctified institution called the church, told you that you were only allowed to have sexual relations with your wife, and here you are, inviting virtual strangers into your boudoir. And how can you justify that?

Bow: Excuse me, Miss, not at all. It's was actually in a synagogue ... and our rules are different there.

Daisy: Excuse me the Jewish the, the Jewish religion says that you can invite strangers into your bedroom.

Bow: Yes.

Daisy: I think not.

Luke: Actually, not. It's yeah, not it's doesn't actually says that, I don't think, but, but, it goes back to my other point earlier that, like it's not always the letter of the law. Sometimes you have to you have to abide by the spirit of the law? Do you know what I'm saying, people?

Vivian: And what is the law? What, what? The words on the certificate of your marriage license?

Luke: Well, actually, it doesn't come in a certificate with like little rules on it.

Daisy: Because the government says you're allowed to live and fornicate with this person? Then it's okay.

Luke: Well, it was not only O.K. Yes, it's great that you can that you can know that this person is gonna be for you there. All the time through thick and thin you know, no matter what kind of trials and tribulations live can throw at you.

Daisy: Well, what kind of person is gonna be there, because I'm not gonna be there for my husband, I want a divorce.

Luke: But then you're not keeping up your end of the agreement that you've made.

Daisy: The agreement that what my local government or my senate told me that I had to fulfill?

Luke: Hey, hey!

Vivian: The agreement that went void and null.

Luke: No, no, no, you, they, the government didn't force you to get married, I'm sorry. But I mean, you took that decision upon yourself.

Daisy: I did, and I admitted my mistake, that I made a mistake; I got married to the wrong guy. But how can you sit there in your, on your sanctimonious pedestal (Vivian: Single) and tell me that I should stay with this me who I'm totally, 100%, unhappy and unsatisfied with. And I can't move on with my life? Give me one good reason.

Luke: O.K. Alright. If you, I guess if you, if you acknowledge that you've made a mistake, I guess I'll have to I'll say alright on that. But I still think that you've taken the wrong turn, T don't think that you should give up on the institution of marriage, or the institution of love, you know, I mean of, like forever love, you know, the kind of love that just keeps on giving and giving.

Bow: You haven't tried hard enough.

Daisy: Well, maybe, somewhere down on the track, if you guys give me let me get a divorce, I might find that guy.

Luke: No, I mean, it's, it's a free country, you can do whatever you want. I'm just saying don't sell yourself short by saying like the whole thing's a sham. I mean, obviously, there has to be some kind of merit to it, look how many people do it? (Bow: Exactly) Everybody gets married; it's the thing to do.

Vivian: And everybody gets divorced these days, look at the divorce rate. It's about fifty percent now, for the past twenty years.

Luke: I'm not saying that's right. I don't think that's right, I think that's wrong.

Daisy: Because people go into marriage for the wrong reasons, (Vivian: Exactly) and they do it because they want to conform to society.

Vivian: And too soon without knowing for sure that they really want to commit to that sort of relationship, why must you commit to, you can get married at the age of forty for the first time and only time in your life. (Luke: Sure) (Daisy: Hey man) You can find the one committed partner and live with them or have relations with them for twenty, thirty years without having a marriage license, to bond you guys together.

Luke: Oh, no, no, well of course, well O.K. I believe you can find that love at any point in your life.

Vivian: So as long as you've found that love, that, that one person, right, in your book, you don't have to get married. After you find that person, then you can go ahead and get married if you want to, but why force it on someone else when it may not suit them, maybe it was a mistake.

Bow: I'll tell you why. It's because you can never really trust your partner until you have that commitment. The sign on the dotted line, until you have that then there's an ultimate trust it goes beyond human, urn, intellect, you can't even imagine, what it's like.., cause you're not married.

Vivian: Then, perhaps your love is not as solid as you think it is if you need a signature on a dotted line, instead of the trust and the bond and the honesty that you have with each other.

Daisy: O.K, if you are right Bow, the things that melds and meshes two people together is that signature on the dotted line. Then how do you feel about the fact that my sister, who I love with all my heart and my soul, who's been there through thick and thin, all the things in my life. I could go on for so long, but that's an another story. She is a lesbian, and I'm proud to say that, I don't have any problems with saying that. I don't I don't. But anyway she is a lesbian and she is in involved in a relationship now, she's fifteen years older than me by the way, she's forty-five, she's been in involved in a relationship now for twenty years. Twenty years, they've been devoted to each other they have an adopted child; they love each other with all their heart. They're wonderful, they're, they're better than you, and Mary Lou, they don't even have to bring in toys and other women or whatever, but they are completely happy together, and they can't get married, they can't sign on that dotted line, and what do you have to say that.

Bow: Let me respond to that, urn, you know, because your sister is a sexual deviant in our society, um, you know, she's not able to actually have a real marriage and I think she's probably regrets that.

Daisy: Excuse me, deviant? Wasn't it you telling us about you bring strangers into your bedroom?

Bow: That was a sacrifice to keep my marriage alive.

Vivian: And isn't that I think that marriage.

Daisy: I think you are a hypocrite.

Vivian: And those marriage vows are (Luke: Hey,) supposed to be about, they're supposed to be between two and there's supposed to be sacred in your words. But they're not sacred anymore after you've invited half the neighborhood into your bedroom.

Luke: Well, O.K. What is the goal of sex? I mean, what is the whole point of it? Is it for pleasure? Well, maybe as a sort of distraction, I mean, I think the purpose is for procreation. I don't think the people should just be getting together and shagging just to have like.

Daisy: This is the misconception that rest of the society, especially the male population seems to have. A homosexual relationship is not about sex, it's about the fact that two people love each other, just as same as a man and a woman love each other, they don't feel that way with another person. They only feel that way with one another, because the person they're with is their soul mate, the person you're seeking, Luke. So you're sitting there, on your little preaching pedestal, telling me about going out and finding your soul mate, when my sister has her soul mate, she's been with her for twenty years, faithful, Bow. Hasn't had any strangers in the bedrooms. She is happy, and they're together. And they're solid and they are solidified, they're gel.

Luke: I don't think that, I don't think that they have monogamous relationships (Bow: Yeah), I think they're always is, you gotta admit with homosexual relationships, there's always some fooling around, ... if you have guys...

Vivian: Why, I'm sorry.

Daisy: No, No, I'm sorry, I know my sister, I know her, you don't...

Bow: And also, with lesbians, I mean, I'm sure that they're not totally sexual satisfied, yeah, how could they be? I mean, just tongues and fingers...what.... I don't...

Vivian: And neither are you and that's why you need your dildo, right?

Daisy: Yeah, well, obviously, you're doing something wrong, Bow. (Bow: Well...)

Vivian: Aren't performing up to your...

Bow: No, see you don't understand, I'm just.., it's just to be, it's just to be creative (Vivian: Pardon? Pardon?) in the bedroom and not keep it monotonous and um... to... you know, it's just to keep it spicy, it's just a little extra, extra added on.

Vivian: Well maybe if you had the equipment too, you wouldn't need it any other equipment?

Luke: I tell you what's monotonous? Monotonous is like going out every night, picking up some like babe in a bar, taking her home, (Vivian: Like you do, uh?) and having like wild sex with them and then waking up in the morning, they make you breakfast and they leave.

Bow: It's disgusting.

Luke: It's terrible, I don't, it's just, it doesn't do it for me.

Vivian: You don't believe in it, you just practice it.

Daisy: Well, that's fine. My sister is not doing that and her partner isn't doing that either, why can't she have the same right as you, I want, if marriage's alright for you and Mary Lou, Bow. I want it to be alright for Helen, I'm ready.

Luke: Fair enough, fair enough. I'll side with you on that. I'll say that, I'll say that the institution of love and marriage, it goes beyond anything, beyond like a sexual orientation, beyond a, race, creed, color belief, anything. I think the love is the thing that, that, erases all those boundaries, all those distinctions that we try to build up between each other. I think love is the great bulldozer of ideological conflict. And I think that is the thing, that is the thing the main, the most important thing that the big the enforcer, the prime mover of love.

Vivian: Yes, sir, I mean...? Jimmy Swaggart? Amen.

Luke: It's marriage, it's marriage.., that's what makes it love.

Daisy: Well, and why can't they have marriage?

Vivian: Why can't you not have marriage?

Daisy: Answer my question!

Luke: I agree, I agree, they should, I mean, thinking it over, I think that they should, if they're truly in love, and they truly wanna go all the way with it, and they're having the kind of thing I've been dreaming of all these years, then who am I to say that they can' have that? Or that they shouldn't be able to, to... make it alright, but then you're contradicting yourself you're saying that, that they should get married.

Bow: I'm sorry.

Daisy: Well, I'm saying that they found each other, that's fine. In my case, I haven't found that person. I'm a completely different case, Luke, completely different.

Luke: But, if you found that person, would you get married again?

Daisy: If I was able to find that person who satisfied me on every level, emotionally, physically, sexually, yes. I would go for it. I would get the whole kit and caboodle.

Bow: Yeah, and five years later? Divorce.

Vivian: Why does the epitome of life have to surround a companion or marriage, or love. Why do you need that? Why can't you have a... fulfill your life and have a satisfying life with work and friends and a nice social life?

Bow: Uh? You know humans are innately gorgeous, they need people around them. (Luke: Yeah)

Vivian: Yeah, I've got lots of people around me, what about it?

Luke: That's not the same thing. I mean having friends and loose contacts and acquaintances and stuff, that's, that's shallow, I mean everybody has that and of course it's important but what you are looking for, the whole point of life, I believe, is making that one true commitment, where you just give everything of yourself, and you don't even know where, you stop, and the other person begins.

Daisy: O.K. We've heard it all before Luke, and actually, you know, I know that, um, most of you know, I've known  Luke: for quite a while and... There are a few things in your argument that don't quite, kind of gel, Luke, like for example, you're saying that when you're with a woman you let her know that you're looking for something more and then you go ahead and you have relations with her and if it's doesn't work out, you move on, is that what you tell, um, the women you hired down on the corner of fifth avenue?

Luke: Hey, hey, hey.., don't go slinging mud at me now.., that's a, that's a whole different, that's a whole different, I'm not even gonna comment, I'm not even gonna justify those comments.

Vivian: And, and you're talking about this cycle that's going to form, well I mean throwing away, throwing away each women after every night one night stand, I mean isn't that forming a cycle just like, she's gonna divorce.

Daisy: What about those women feelings? Do you think that they're chattels?

Luke: Hey, I don't, I'm not talking about one night stands here, I'm talking several nights, you know, several...

Vivian: Several nights...

Luke: Several nights to work out some sort of like rapport with the person, I mean, the initial rapport, like in a bar, night club or something. And maybe you'll have a bit of rapport, and you'll go home and get you get, more, more of a rapport...

Vivian: And the next night you just can't send her home, so you (Daisy: Yeah) have another night with her?

Luke: Yeah, but I'll know, I'll so.

Daisy: What's the criteria you're judging these women on, well, I mean, do you find out if they can cook or do you find out if they can do your laundry well enough? Or if they can iron? or you know...

Luke: No, no, no, no, I mean, just like a, you know, little things like compatibility things just like, just things they might say or do or maybe they just.., like certain things about them. It has nothing to do with that. I said before, I think I said that before.

Vivian: How they perform in bed?

Vivian: So why don't you be more specific? What about what they say or do or what...

Luke: Well, I don't know, like if I say something to them, and I think that, that one thing they would say would be really funny, and then they say something totally different. That's a sure sign that maybe it's not meant to be, like I want someone who's kind of like a mirror reflection of me, as a woman, and I don't think that's asking too much.

Daisy: Why don't you marry your mirror?

Vivian: And you're not answering in the question. Why you have to conform to society's ideal picture? Where you have to find that other love in your life and marry them? I mean why can't you live a life like me? I have a, nice job and I'm satisfied with what I do and have many friends and I have a companion, I have a companion, but we've come to mutual understanding that we will not marry but we're still, we're so committed to each other.

Daisy: And your in a monogamous relationship, right, she's having sex with one person, they're happy, but they don't want, they, their relationship (Luke: But) excuse me, is on a completely different spiritual plane (Vivian: and...) they don't need the signature on the dotted line.

Vivian: And ... since we're not restricted to your morality rules, we can probably get divorced any time we want to, huh?

Luke: Well, I just think you're full of hot air though I think you just like, I think you're just talking, I mean it's like "oh we have this big thing and it's a spiritual plane. Well, put your money where your mouth is and sign the dotted line?

Daisy: Oh Ye who has no partner.

Luke: Hey, at least I'm looking, and I know what I'm looking for.

Vivian: And a blank dotted line.

Luke: Yeah, but at least, I know what I'm looking for.

Vivian: I know what I'm looking for; I've found what I'm looking for.

Luke: So marry it.

Vivian: I don't wanna marry it, I'm happy I am, I am perfectly satisfied, I'm not insecure enough to need that signature, I have his signatures all over...

Bow: Yes you are, yes you are, that's why you're not doing it (Luke: right).

Vivian: Why, why?

Daisy: You guys have no idea what you are talking about.

Bow: You're just gonna be a, a black sheep in society, people are not gonna respect you (Vivian: Exactly that's exactly what I'm talking about) as a couple and it seems like you just you have no respect for society, because you're just gonna living sin, and then once you guys are...

Vivian: Why is it sin? Living in sin? Why must I conform to...?

Daisy: Sin? Sin, don't go there Bow-, sin? Excuse me, who's been sinning Bow?

Vivian: Go back to your synagogue.

Bow: What?

Luke: People gonna laugh at you guys, you know.

Vivian: Why, What is conforming to society? Why must you conform to... this ideal that society upholds to you.

Bow: Do you always have to be a rebel? You always have to be deviant?

Vivian: Yeah, I'm a rebel without a cause.

Daisy: And you!!

Bow: No, and then the first time that you have, like a small little tiff then anyone can just leave and that's the end of the relationship, and then what do you do? You are either left alone, or you have to do go and do the same thing over again. You have your one night stand and do all this disgusting stuff?

Vivian: I, you know what, you know that I've never had, I've never cheated out my man, and ...

Bow: How would I know?

Vivian: And you know what I just said, yes, exactly, I don't have that piece of paper, that holds us together, and bonds us together, we have our own respect and the trust that we have with each other...

Bow: It's a facade.

Vivian: Facade?

Daisy: I'll tell you what, facade, facade. Well, here you go. I mean, I've been married for five years and what am I seeking after five years, of this marital bliss that you guys are talking about. I'm seeking freedom, absolutely, I want freedom, I want the freedom to go here and go there and then to come home when I want to. And if I wanna bring him home then that's who I'll bring home that's what I'm seeking. I want freedom. I want control over my life, I don't want anyone whether it be the government, or men to tell me what to do.

Luke: O.K. Fair enough. But you gotta understand that it won't be like that forever, I mean you're not gonna want it once you get it again, you're not gonna want that kind of freedom, you're gonna, you're gonna seek out the kind of freedom that all people really want deep down inside whether they acknowledge it or not. And that is the freedom to fully give of themselves to another person and to be bonded forever in holy matrimony.

Vivian: Well, I'll agree, up to everything you said, except the holy matrimony, the last two words, why holy matrimony, why do you need that piece of paper, sorry, you don't...

Bow: Course you think like that, you're like a satanist, you're living in sin.

Vivian: Oh, my goodness.

Daisy: Oh, he who he who has not sinned throw the first, stone.

Bow: What're you talking about? You married your high school sweetheart, that's the only girl you were ever with, look at that, they've been together, how many, how many years like.., like...

Vivian: And the other woman he's invited into their bedrooms.

Bow: We've lost our virginities together.

Daisy: Excuse me; there are many mansions in the lords house.

Bow: What?

Vivian: Speechless, hey?

Luke: Well, I don't know.

Daisy: He who is sitting there telling us about, religion, and holy vows, you've breaking yours several times already.

Bow: Oh yeah, well people who live in glass houses take showers in the basement alright?

Daisy: Ha Ha.

Luke: Come on, let's not throw stick and stones at each other, guys! Let's get together on this.

Daisy: Well the problem is that we have fundamental differences here. I believe that I should be in control of my freedom and I don't want a man to dictate that, and Viv, Viv just wants to be able to have her relationship on her own terms.

Luke: O.K. well, this shouldn't become a battle of the sexes; I don't wanna sound like I coming off preaching as a man to a woman, I'm just talking about like...

Daisy: Well you are.

Luke: Well, I'm just talking about like, well, but, just because I'm a man, but if I was a woman saying this to you, would you feel that, you know, you're being railed at by another woman, no, just because I'm a man, that doesn't mean that, doesn't meant that, I'm trying to take the male view point and try to lord things over you. I'm just saying that my point of view is that, love is eternal and love is great, it's the only thing, love redeems alt, it's the most important thing, and marriage make it real.

Vivian: This is the man that said that it is O.K. for man to hit a woman. You know why...

Luke: I didn't say it was O.K.

Bow: But it is.

Daisy: Luke, Luke, you would agree with me that this society is a patriarchal society, right?

Luke: To a degree.

Daisy: To a degree. Which degree would that be?

Luke: To a large degree.

Daisy: O.K. and women when they enter the institution of marriage, they are, whether they do it subconsciously or consciously, expected to perform a certain role, and they fall into that role, because the society wants them to fall into that role, and I don't, except that, I reject that, I, I absolutely reject that, I'm looking for something more in my life, I don't want to be another statistic in society. I've already made myself that. I'm a divorce, or almost. I don't wanna be this woman who cooks and cleans and is bare-foot and pregnant for someone, for somebody who doesn't even appreciate it.

Vivian: And the reason why it is pointless to point this out to Bow and Luke, is because, you guys are stuck in your own little worlds over there, and Bow, you're not even married, you haven't even found your companion, do you?

Bow: I am married.

Vivian: Oh, I'm sorry, Luke, Luke, you haven't even found your companion, you're still going out there night after night, banging this girl and that, and...

Luke: Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Vivian: OK. You say that you want to make this commitment. After you've made that step then come back to us and preach to us, okay?

Luke: Alright, look. I think I can be allowed to dream, I mean, I'm just, I'm just, of course, we're all just giving our opinions on these things.

Vivian: Dream weaver.

Luke: I'm not saying, I'm not trying to come off as being condescending and trying to preach or lord anything over anybody, I'm just saying that like, sometimes you have to look at things beyond yourself, you have to, you have to, have faith in something that's bigger that yourself.

Daisy: Please do that. Please look beyond yourself here.

Luke: Well, I'm trying to.

Vivian: You know I could look at it from your point of you and you say, look at you, you hypocritical prick, go and find yourself a companion, go and get married. Why don't you get married. Why haven't you found your, found your other love your other companion.

Daisy: And what about, how many girls are we talking about here? How many in general terms?

Vivian: And what girl, if I happened to be that girl, I wouldn't want you, because you're dirty now, you're filthy dirty, (Luke: Hey, hey...) you’ve been with every other girl on the block, you are used property and nobody wants to buy used cars anymore, they just don't run like they used to.

Daisy: Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free?

Luke: Come on, don't turn this on me, alright? I'm doing my thing with...

Vivian: You know you're doing your thing.

Luke: I and, and don't get the wrong idea about what I'm doing, either. It's a, it's a very chaste situation I'm doing.

Vivian: Honorable?

Luke: Yeah. I'm very honorable, I'm a gentleman, damn it.

Daisy: Well, gentleman, well, O.K. I'm not, I'm neither a gentleman or lady, and I'm proud of that, because I am who I am. I wanna be free to experience things and whether that means, me being with either a man in marriage, or woman in a marriage, I wanna be free to explore all avenues.

Luke: So, what you're gonna be a lesbian now?

Bow: You're a lesbian like your sisters?

Luke: .lust because your marriage doesn't work out? See, this is what I'm talking about. People go off these roads less travelled, that are really just deviant, and really not right, and don't contribute to the procreation of human kind.

Daisy: Well, maybe.

Vivian: What makes it not right?

Luke: Because the divorce, the divorce, the divorce makes...

Daisy: I travelled the road less travelled and that made all the difference.

Luke: No, that's not how it goes.

Vivian: And what if Daisy, were not to get a divorce, what if she weren't to get a divorce, but still seek out other mates, like Bow, in his righteous marriage is doing right now.

Bow: No. I didn't seek out other mates. I just said that the.., my significant other.

Vivian: You said, you said bring it on!

Bow: I accepted her proposal if that would spice up and bring some creativity to the bedroom, that's all, and the bedroom is only one aspect of the marriage, there's so many other aspects of it, you haven't even touched on it.

Daisy: Did it hurt you? Did it hurt you, though; Bow, when she is screaming another man's name?

Bow: That is a little painful but, something that I can get over, well, I mean, I'm doing it for the, ultimate goal of, keeping the marriage together, I mean, it0s hard work like people say, but...

Daisy: I've got this, you know, I have this problem here, I think, Bow, is more concerned with the marriage than he is with the relationship.

Luke:  No, no, no.

Vivian: And upholding the image of how it looks to other people.

Bow: That is part of it, but that, you are totally missing the point, there's so much more to it than that, we have an understanding between each other, which, you guys seem like, obviously will don't understand and never understand.

Vivian: No. because I'm saying the same thing to you, I have an understanding with my companion (Bow: No, that's not an understanding).

Vivian: I mean, so, why can't you not be with each other and have, actually, which is the most innocent, and most simple kind of love, is the understanding and the trust that you have with each other. Which come to the question, what is love? What is your understanding of love? Having a piece of paper? Vows (Luke: No.) in front of a preacher? (Luke: No.) Then what is your idea of love?

Luke: The vows come after the love. The vows and the paper are just a sort; of, sort of, an affirmation and Public statement like.

Vivian: A seal of approval.

Luke: Yeah, O.K. it can mean that if you like it, but, I mean, the bottom line is love is what love is, and I mean and I guess it's just it's different to. different people, well I mean. I guess, I just, I have a deeper understating of it, and that's all.

Vivian: I think that's exactly what the problem is; the definition of love is so different for all of us, that we're coming at opposite ends of each other. Bow, apparently thinks that love is the fulfillment of (Daisy: Marriage, marriage) society's ideal of marriage, and having, creating that perfect home and family well, Luke is still searching to fulfill those shoes, and Daisy, here thinks she thought that she was conforming, and then that was probably the right thing to do, but comes to realize that she has evolved into a different person and this may not be exactly what she was looking for. She was a little too, eager to maybe step into the role that society has expected of her.

Daisy: Well, you know, I guess, look, all I can say is that, when I went into this, I was young, and I really didn't know what I know now, I thought I was in love with this guy, I thought I knew this guy, I didn't know this guy. And he just wasn't, how can I say? I really, he just couldn't satisfy me, in many ways, physically, spiritually, and on a emotional level. I feel I've grown, and I feel that he hasn't grown. And I'm at this place in my life right now, where I'm feeling, boxed in. I feel like I can't breath I want to break free. I want to be on my own. I want that freedom. I'm seeking essentially freedom. That's what I'm looking for and I know that I'm not gonna be able to find it with my husband. I want to move on. I'm ready to move on. This is my right of passage in my life. This is my epiphany.., if you like.

Luke: Okay. I understand where you're coming from and um, I feel for you. I have a great amount of compassion, for your situation, and I don't wanna come off as being vindictive or anything. And I just hope that what, what we've spoken about here, will maybe sway you back to the side of, of love, and to the side of, of that holy institution of marriage. Because you had a bad experience. You weren't the first one, I mean, many people have had these experience. I've had them myself. I didn't take it as far of course, but I mean, we all have had. We've all loved and lost. We've all had, you know, love unrequited, but I think that the thing is that we should all hopefully come away with it at the end of this discussion, is that love conquers all. And we should never give up on it.

Bow: I think the marriage is on many different levels and there are problems on certain levels, and you just have to solve those problem where you can. You guys are totally off, way off base with what you're talking about and I think you should reconsider your opinions.

Vivian: Speaking of way of bases is you, Bow. I mean with your sanctuary love and your devoted family and this and that, and then you go off and invite other people into your bedroom? That's what I just call ridiculous, O.K. you don't need a piece of paper to say that you are going to be together forever, that's just a piece of paper, and if you love each other, and trust each other and have an enough respect for each other, you don't need anything to say that yes we give you permission to be together.

Daisy: But I still love you guys.

Luke: Yeah, I guess that's the bottom line.

Bow: Love conquers all.

Vivian: We're still friends, O.K.

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1. Love and Marriage


SIDE A


Hello, We're here gathered together in holy matrimony, no actually we're here to talk about that sacred thing that we call marriage or living together.

Vivian: Um, Let's all introduce ourselves.
Daisy: O.K. Well I'm Daisy, and I'm married and I'm on the verge of divorce.
Bow: Hi, everybody, my name is Bow, and I'm married and I think the institution of marriage is just great.
Luke: Um, my name is Luke, um I'm still looking for that special someone to make all my dreams come true.
Vivian: Hey. I think, I'm Viv, and I think legal is regal but I don't need it so I have a perfectly happy relationship with someone and we don't plan to get married any time soon and perhaps never.
Luke: That was cool, those rhyme?? I wish I had thought of that.
Vivian: Anyways let's continue on.

Vivian: I'm sure each person agrees that everyone is made a little bit differently, uh... some people may be suitable for them and some may not be. And you may find the right companion for you, during your life time. And others find that they may choose to go another path now I'd be curious to find out how you feel about the companion in a marriage you know.., or children.., whatever. Go ahead, urn, Luke?

Luke: Well, I don't know, maybe I'm a bit of an optimist or something. But I think I haven't find her yet, but I believe that, there is a girl out there, that is just 100% compatible with me. Like the 100% perfect girl for me, and I just got to go out there and I got to see the world until I find her. And then totally I'm just gonna spend the rest of my life with her and there is no questions asked, um it will be, I'll know it when it's the time and it's gonna be great and I'm not gonna have to worry about anything.., and I'm gonna set myself up with a little piece of farm land and I'm just gonna make babies for the rest of my life.

Daisy: The three kids in the three bedroom house the whole deal.

Luke: Well, yeah to a degree. I just wanna drop-out, you know I wanna work hard now then I wanna drop by the society, I don't wanna be part of this rat i race anymore but I mean, I've got to stay interested in it, I've got to stay in the game and the only way you can do that, is just by being in love with someone who. I'm 100% on the level with and totally together with. And I have faith that I'll find her, hopefully soon.

Vivian: But what makes you feel that? Well I mean not that you won't find her but I'm saying why do you feel the drive or the need to find a companion in your life? And what makes you think that, that would be so nice? (Daisy: Where's the feeling?)

Luke: It's kind of empty without it, isn't it? I mean your whole world is made up of all these like individuals going around trying to find something in common with.., as many other people as possible. And just trying to like make a connection, but a whole bunch of really superficial connections like,... I don't know.., like what're your hobbies, what's your job, people join clubs to find people and so they can talk about similar things and so they can sort of have a common ground to start a relationship with.

Vivian: So (Daisy: Romantic.) you don't think that, you don't think that, there would be any reason or way, I mean do you think that this will be your lifetime partner? What about divorce? You don't see that in the picture? I mean, do you think that, by chance, you might end up with the wrong partner? And do you believe in perhaps remarriage or finding a second companion you weren't compatible.

Luke: No, I don't believe that at all, I think, everything that's been leading up to, urn, in my whole life in the relationships I've made with members of the opposite sex romantically, there's always been something missing, there's something that is not quite there, it doesn't click on some level, and you have this initial attraction maybe, but then as you find out more about each other, eventually you become a little bit, the passion fades and stuff, and you don't become that, and you're not into them anymore. But I think that it is possible to just click with somebody so well, and you just realize you just go on and go on, the attraction just gets better and better because as you discovering things about them you realize how much they have in common with you, but it's a very rare thing, I mean I don't think everybody necessarily even finds it in their life.., but I think that that is something we can strive for. The dating process is just like auditions you're just learning about people and then someone gets the parts, someone you cast in the leading role in your life.

Daisy: So you're determine to like search out that person and until you find that person you're satisfied with being alone or, or like maybe dating or,...

Luke: I'm happy dating and stuff, but I don't do it just for the sake of doing and like I definitely have an ulterior motive that's, I wanna find that person, it's a, it's a ...there's a definitely I mean to, I mean I'm trying to have fun in the meantime, but there's that emptiness there, that's, that's just, you know, by playing the field I just don't get that, that support I need.

Vivian: Ah So you're a sensitive guy, and you're looking for that Mrs right.

Luke: No, well, if you wanna put it in Dear Abbey terms, yeah I guess so

Vivian: Ok. Well, let's move on to Bow then. Bow, you're in a very stable marriage with three kids. I mean, you're happy where you are?

Bow: I'm extremely happy. It's probably the best decision I've ever made in my life, and I totally see where... Luke is coming from, I mean being my brother and all we are pretty much, you know, sensitive guys, so ... um ... yeah. I went through the same thing as him and ... it's tough in the beginning, I mean it's hard to find that Mrs. Right, but if you just keep looking and your compassionate about it, you do find her and you do,.., and the institution of marriage is just the ultimate thing for a man. It's just great, it's the fusion of not just your bodies but also your souls, you're soul mates.

Daisy: And what made Mary Lou so right for you, Bow?

Bow: It must have been, like, she just had twinkle in her eye. I could see deep into her soul, like I just knew that her soul and my soul were like two souls that, we're made for each other.

Vivian: One soul.

Luke: You lucky dog. See that's what I want see that's what I want to look at that I'm just like, that's it, man.

Bow: You can get there. You will someday, man.

Daisy: Right, well, see, you know, I'm kind of in the opposite situation from you guys, because, uh... well, what can I say, I was looking, I thought for exactly the same things, and I thought I'd found Mr. Right, and we've been married now for five years. And we've... I really, I have to admit I've tried. I really have tried, I put in the time.

Vivian: Did you love him when you first married him? And up to what point did you think that you loved him. I mean do you still love him?

Luke: When did it fade, when did it change?

Vivian: And why?

Daisy: Oh, well, I don't know, I cannot put this into words. Let me see, well, for me, yes, I did love him. I was both in love and in lust with him, when I met him.

Vivian: And did he love you too, I mean, was it a mutual thing, you really had that love, I mean... Luke There, That's the only way it works.

Daisy: I think so, I think, I really think that he did feel that way, you know, the thing is it that, it's really easy to be idealistic, and when you're in the white dress in your, you have this wonderful guy who's proposing to you. And, and your, there's the whole Cinderella, you know fairy tale ideal that's behind a wedding. And um, here I was walking down the aisle thinking that everything was gonna be wonderful, we were gonna have the three kids the house and the dog, and the B.M.W. in the drive way. And um, all of a sudden we had the house, and ok we didn't have children but.., there was something missing. And we... I think we started this on just an ideal and we weren't prepared for the realities of marriage. It's much more than those ideals.

Luke: Well, it's nothing, but it's nothing that's insurmountable, it's not anything that you can't overcome with communication, and genuine concern for the other person's well-being.

Daisy: Yeah, but the thing is where I'm at now, Luke is, I really, I don't know, if I can go on anymore, I mean, I think we've passed the point, maybe we should have been doing that communicating way back before, and now I'm in this situation where, I don't really wanna be with him, do I love him? I love him in the sense that I care about him, because I've been with him for a long time, I don't want anything bad happen to him. I wanna be able to help him as a friend if possible, but I'm certainly not in lust with him, and here's the thing I'm at this point in my marriage where I wanna be with other people. I, basically I wanna go out, and I want to be with other people.

Bow: Oh, that's a shame.

Vivian: What about, if you're in the circumstance, I mean, what if your situation involved children? I mean, would you still think of ending the relationship, I mean.., what about children?

Daisy: Yes, that's, well, all I can say is that I'm thankful that I don't. But you know, I think that would make it much more difficult, but in today's day and age maybe we could have a relationship where I have the kids one week and they have the kids the other week.

Vivian: So, is that what you gonna do with your poodle?

Daisy: Well, Yes, I mean that's another thing. I don't know what I'm gonna do with the dog either. But...

Luke: The dog is just a superficial thing.., that's just some sort of thing that you were using as some kind of glue to keep yourselves together. I think you should give it another chance, I mean, you've got this person, you've obviously made it this far, well, what you need to do is bring it to the next level. You need to have a child, you need to make, need to make an another commitment, I mean, life is just a series of commitments, (Daisy: But, the what about...) You got to go deeper and deeper and keep challenging yourself and then ... it's too easy, people just throw things out when they don't work out (Vivian: No.) and it's too easy. You've got to start seeing things through. I think, well, that's, that's your prerogative, but I think that people have to continue to challenge themselves and to continue to commit themselves to things and then they realize only down the road, I've made these commitments, "Oh my, God, I've had a very rich and fulfilling and beautiful life. And a child would be the thing that you need right now, to get yourselves back on the same track, to get yourselves together and to get back on that horse and, go out there and have a beautiful loving relationship again.

Bow: I totally agree.

Vivian: Well, I totally don't, I don't think Daisy has to go back to, I mean, to find another commitment to hold her in there, to string her into this relationship. I mean, she wants to find freedom, she wants to go find another soul mate, let her be. Why should she be tied down?

Daisy: Well, It wasn't necessarily a soul mate. It was just kind of um... mates.

Bow: Was it a one night stand?

Daisy: Yeah.

Bow: And turned into a marriage?

Daisy: No, no, no, no, I was talking about when I get a divorce. I wasn't looking for other soul mates, just mates.

Luke: I bet you're looking for just like sexual partners.

Daisy: Well, at the moment, yes.

Luke: Well, you can't do it like that, I mean this is what I've been doing, this is the dilemma I have. I'm empty, I'm like a, I'm just like an empty vessel floating through the sea, because I don't have that anchor to hold me to anything.

Daisy: Well, you know, we are just basically extremes on one scale, aren't we, Luke?

Luke: Well, I guess so, but I just would say from my position, I mean the grass can look always greener from where you're sitting, but I mean, it isn't always necessarily so, and I think that you think you'll gain all this freedom and stuff, but you're losing a whole lot of really important things.

Daisy: Well, Toucher, You might come over to my green grass, and not find it so green.

Luke: Well, Yeah. but I haven't experienced what you've experienced, yet. I never had that, that happy unity with one other person. And stuck it out for five years. I've never been able to do that.

Bow: But I have, and I agree with Luke. I think that instead of looking for other sexual escapade, you should be looking for the new partner in your life, your soul mate. I mean it's.., there's nothing like having this like mutual respect for one each other, it's like a, let me give you an example like I work, you know a little bit.., like after seven o'clock sometimes, and you know, I might wanna go out and have a couple of beers with, my, my colleagues so, you know, I'll be back by ten, and I call my, my wife and I say "Darling, I'm gonna be a little late maybe about 10: 30" and she's like "Darling, no problem".

Luke: That's beautiful.

Bow: I mean that's, that's mutual respect.

Luke: Yes, that's beautiful, and I mean, that's, what it's all about, it's not like you've got an albatross around your neck anything. It's liberating, I think, I think once you find it, you realize that you have a whole different realm of freedom that you weren't even aware existed. (Bow: Totally) Freedom to be yourself, freedom to like fully give of yourself to another person. That's true freedom, that's true freedom.

Daisy: Well sure, it's freedom for you guys who work and get to go out, and lead good lives, while your wife is at home cooking and, cleaning, and she has no, you know, personal satisfaction.

Luke: I'll stay at home. I'd love to stay at home.

Bow: Um, Well me, personally, I mean, I have my own chores every day, we share the responsibilities of the house. I do laundry, I wash dishes, and I'm, you know I'll come home beat dead from work, at like nine or something, I mean, really late, I'd go to bed by like ten. But, I mean, my wife is watching the baby all day, and she might have like corns and calices on her feet, they might stink but, I'll still massage them, until my finger's almost bleed. And, I mean, that's what marriage is about.

Daisy: Well I don't know many guys like you, two.

Vivian: And I certainly don't.

Daisy: And I don't think there are a lot of men that are willing to do that.

Vivian: Willing to sacrifice, yeah.

Luke: They're everywhere, men just are, just looking for the excuse, they have all this, macho posturing and stuff that they just wanna go out and, and meet a lot a chicks, bust that's all a ruse. It's just because they're insecure ...

Daisy: And you don't wanna have sex with other women?

Vivian: Oh, but he does. He's saying he is experimenting until he finds that right one.

Luke: But the sex isn't just an incidental. I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it in pursuit of sex, I'm not, I'm looking for someone who, who I'm compatible with sexually but also emotionally, and like (psycho...) intellectually.

Daisy: Well, then why is it wrong for me to go out and have, um and play the field and have sex with other people and find my soul mate?

Luke: I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying, I'm just saying that you made this decision and there's a certain sanctity to marriage, but I think that, that it's sacred, and you have to uphold it no matter what, no matter what life throws at you, you've made this decision, and you didn't do it, just because it was a fluke, I don't believe any marriages happen by accident. I think that if you're gonna go that far, it's magic, and you know its magic, and you know it's gonna work out, yeah.

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Vivian: Well, see, but she doesn't feel it, she doesn't know that it's magic. She doesn't feel it at all.


.Luke: But, at that time, she did. She's just lost something that used to just be there, and she just has to rekindle that again. It's still there, (Daisy: But it's gone.) it's doesn't just go away you don't. People just don't like have something and it disappears. (Vivian: What if she's mistaken?) I mean, well, that she must have mistaken, well, then ... (Vivian: In the last it all?) I don't think she did. I don't think she did. I don't think that people make mistake like that. When it comes to matters of the heart, I think you know, you know right off the bat. Matters of the heart, you can be wrong about math equations, and you can be wrong about, like your positions on things or like on historical facts. But on matters of the heart you're always right. You can't, I mean intuition is everything.

Daisy: Like Michael Jackson and Lisa Mary Presley, (Michael, Yeah, Lisa Mary) or Dennis Rodman and or Carmen Electra.

Luke: I don't know these people, but I think if they were gonna make the big plunge, they were gonna go out and get married, and make these huge commitment to each other as this united whole. Two candles becoming one, you know. I think that something was there that is still there, it's just that the thing that made it work has gone, it's dormant now. And it's a matter of trying to find it again and bring it back up, (Vivian: O.K.) and I think anything is, like, just.., can be overcome. Any kind of conflicts you had, if you're in the bond of marriage, and you had the idea in the first place, (Daisy: Oh that’s a little naive, Luke.) it's real, it's real, no, it's real.

Vivian: How, how about not trying to rekindle that fire, but, just say, "Hey, the flame is gone, and it's died out, and you're never gonna find it again, so why not go and try to, come to a mutual understanding, and say "Hey, let's go and find another companion, or just find happiness in our lives"

Luke: Well, I think that's a very defeatist attitude, (Vivian: Why is it defeatist?) I think, I think it creates a very dangerous pattern for the rest of your life. If something, if something just doesn't work out, like you kind of get a thrill off it and then it's starts going on, and all of sudden, it doesn't have the same, the same kick it used to have and it doesn't, there's a diminished return you're getting from it, you don't just give up from it and walk away, I mean, what are you gonna walk away from your whole life, you gotta, you gotta, sometimes you've got to put yourself on the line, and this is one of those things where you have to do that.

Daisy: O.K. alright, O.K. Luke, well, Here's Sally and Ben, and, Sally and Ben, they grew up in high school together, and they had a wonderful relationship and they did that whole fairy tale wedding and they thought they were very happy, and well, somewhere along the line, Ben, kind of got a little bit violent, and he would beat Sally and beat the children and Sally tried to get him help but, he wouldn't get him help, and then Sally said, "well, you know, but this is the dream of our marriage? Should I stay here? And what about children? And there comes a point, don't you think when a woman in a situation like that, should leave?

Luke: Well, you left a part out there, because, you just said, all of a sudden, he just started beating them up? What changed? Like what did she do, what is, how did she change that made him start beating them up, like, I mean obviously (Bow: Exactly) there was, something there and it shifted and the situation was made different, that caused the man to start to becoming violent. (Vivian: That is) I mean, he didn't have that in high school, I mean, I hope if he was doing that in high school, she didn't like it. I assume she doesn't.

Daisy: Well, some people, some people have violent tendencies and they don't manifest them until later life, and perhaps he's just manifested them, maybe it was Ben's fault, and not Sally's fault.

Luke: Well, maybe, but, I mean, obviously not, he just didn't wake up and did (Daisy: You're attacking women, that's what you're doing) no I'm not, no I'm not, (Daisy: You are), I'm not at all, I'm just saying that obviously something changed in the situation and, maybe it was within Ben, like maybe it was frustration with his job or something like that. (Vivian: Exactly, maybe it was with him) I'm not saying that, and I guess in that situation, yeah, I mean, it makes it a lot harder, but I still think it's overcomeable, I think that if he could just, if he just could take the fighting element out.., that in him hitting them, then it would be a good marriage again, right.

Bow: Well, she could learn to fight back a little bit, you know.

Luke: Sure.

Bow: Defend herself a little bit.

Luke: Well, that might escalate things. Maybe that's not good. I, I don't think violence in a marriage is really gonna...

Bow: But then maybe he could see her as his equal again, and then get on with things.

Luke: Possibly, possibly.

Daisy: Well, What about, O.K. Mr. Love, please tell me then, what I'm gonna do. Here I am living with this guy, and I well obviously have, well I'm married to him, and I, obviously have some problems with him, but my thing is, is that the I've met another man at work, and I'm very attracted to him? And I'd like to have sexual relations with him. Now how do I stop myself from doing that?

Luke: Well, see, you've already created the pattern for yourself though, cause if you had the same feelings for this guy that you did for your husband, is it gonna, is gonna lead to, is gonna go down the same way?

Daisy: I don't want to get married again.

Luke: Well... well.., why?

Bow: Why, the marriage is...

Luke: You have to. I mean, If it's the right thing, if you feel that kind of attraction to him, you have to, you have to like consummate it.

Vivian: You can't have, oh consummate it with sex? You can't have a sexual relationship with someone without being married?

Daisy: You're doing that, man?

Luke: Of course, I am, but, I'm just doing it to discover about people, I'm trying to get at their inner souls.

Daisy: And you can only do that because you're a man, we can't. Cause we're female?

Luke: I'm not saying that?

Bow: It's not as good, I mean having sexual relations with, just a, you know, a person that you meet in a bar or something, it means nothing. It's 2- dimensional, it doesn't it matter how sexy they are?

Vivian: O.K. Daisy? Just you know, tell him.., let's meet at the bar and meet him all you want, and do whatever you want with him.

Bow: I mean, the thing...

Daisy: Well, yeah, you know there's a certain animal, kind of instinct, in humans, and maybe sometimes sex for the sake of sex is OK too, why does sex always have to be a flop? Why can't I fulfill my, my pure (Vivian: Animal magnetism) physical desires?

Bow: Because, you are married.

Daisy: Okay. Well, if I get a divorce, and I'm not gonna be married any more.

Luke: Yeah, O.K. well, then go ahead and get a divorce, but well, I mean it's your life, I mean, you screwed up your life.

Bow: Totally, I mean...you're gonna...

Vivian: Why is it that screwing up her life? Why does divorce have to ruin your life?

Luke: Because she's turning her back on the greatest thing that's ever happened to her. That's why.

Bow: The institution of marriage.

Luke: Exactly.

Daisy: Have you met my husband? No.

Luke: No, I have not.

Daisy: Yes, so, I don't think you're qualified to speak about it, Mr. Love.

Luke: Well, obviously, he must have something going from, because you married him and you've lived with him for five years.

Daisy: Yes, but that has gone. I'm not in love with this person anymore; I want to have sex with other people.

Vivian: It was a mistake, she said.

Bow: Or maybe, you know, you just weren't trying hard enough, you have to spice up your marriage like, you have to bring some toys into the bedroom, spice it up, you know...whips and...

Daisy: No, spice it up by bearing another child so that you're completely and forever eternally committed to that relationship?

Bow: That's my brother Luke's idea, you know, he, he's not married yet, he doesn't know, but I am. I have experience, and yes of course you know, we have our troubles every once in a while, but...

Daisy: He's just wants free sex like you, O.K.

Bow: That's not true.

Luke: That's not true.

Vivian: Don't get so defensive!

Luke: I wanna... I'm looking for a committed relationship, and I tell this to girls up front before I sleep with them, and that I'm looking for something serious, but, sometimes, it just doesn't click.

Daisy: I wanna hear about the toys.

Vivian: I say, that's a line.

Bow: I mean, the masks and specials I have order catalogs from Japan, which are really great, it... I mean, I spent a lot of money on batteries a month? But it's totally worth it. I mean, when you have an altercation, and all it takes is a double dong-dildo to rectify it, it's a... I mean, it's no problem, I don't see anything wrong with that, and you know, it's the thing with the people today they're so easy like a, my brother was saying, to just, you know, to throw away a marriage. But urn, for this, you're talking about going out and having sex, because you love sex...

Daisy: Well, would you to be willing to if your wife said to you "O.K. I love you, but I wanna be with another person, to be involved with us."

Vivian: All I want to be is sexually satisfied by, not a dildo, but by the real thing.

Bow: If that's what it would take to keep the fire in our marriage alive, then yes I would.

Vivian: You would let another man, if your wife said you "No, I want another man to satisfy me, I want to open our marriage, and take in new sexual partners" you would do that for your wife?

Bow: Yes, I would.

Vivian: Even though, that's like kind of breaking your marriage, vows. That's... I mean, that's just as good as going out and have an affair.

Bow: Well, that depends on what kind of religion you have, or what kind of standards, and...

Vivian: But, you guys are talking about the sanctity of marriage and the vows and not breaking them.., and how you should be forever committed to each other.

Bow: Exactly, which means that.., we'll do anything it takes to keep that alive.

Daisy: But, thus, do you really, can you sit here and honestly look me in the eye, Bow, and tell me.

Vivian: Look at her in the eye!

Daisy: And tell me, (Vivian: Don't roll your eyes!) you could watch another man having relations with Mary lou?

Bow: I mean, if, if, what it took was for, if she, if she asked.

Vivian: Don't break down on this.

Bow: If she asked me, you know, to have some sort of deviant relationship in bed, that's,...that's what I had to do, that's what I have to do!

Vivian: But I just asked you, what about the sacred vows of your marriage that you supposedly uphold so highly.

Luke: But I mean, if it's something that your partner wants, I don't think you have to be limited by the traditional ideas of marriage, of course, we're living in changing times. And people have different needs and different things that turn them on and stuff, and I mean there's room within a marriage to change some of those standard perceptions, I mean I think, um, I think it's important that people, that people find and make their own definitions of marriage. I think it's important that they, that they, just, that they seek out what's best for them, and within a marriage no one can touch that, that's just you and your partner, make it work however it has to, however it has to happen.

Vivian: So, why can't the same apply for Daisy, or I mean what if her, her husband came to a mutual agreement that their marriage isn't going to go anywhere, from here. I mean, that they mutually agree that this is the point where, you know that they're going to.

Bow: That's exactly what we're saying. We want her to try something before she gives up on her marriage.

Vivian: Not, not give up. I'm not saying try. I'm saying they both agree that they're gonna both go their own ways, and that they have tried.

Luke: I'm just saying that's a dangerous pattern to get into. I think once you've made that...

Vivian: Who says it's a pattern? Doing it once ...doing it once isn't, it's not like you're gonna divorce a hundred times in your life.

Luke: But you might get married. If you get married a hundred times what's to stop you from divorcing?

Daisy: No, well, No, I don't want to get married again. You know, everybody doesn't have to speak for me. I don't wanna get married again. And the thing is I think it's probably innately human for us to want to have more than one partner, and if I married a man that can not fulfill my needs, and then why should take the responsibility and onus all by myself, to fix that.

Luke: But, people. Its works better, if you would just stay with one person, that works better.

Vivian: Why do you have to be with one person, I never wanna get married I'm perfectly satisfied living my own life, and you know, you can perfectly, have a partner, and not get married, you can live the rest of your life with one partner, why must you get married? Is it some inevitable thing that you have to cross?

Daisy: Sure, and even if she doesn't want to get married, I mean, if she chooses to have a single life.

Vivian: And be faithful to him.

Daisy: Or not even have a partner, or not even have a partner, in today's society, there are several options if she wanted to be a mother, a single mother is nothing new in today's society. There's surrogate mothers, well, I mean, you know, there's so many opportunities out there for women, why do I have to choose this archaic, patriarchal, system, um that men created, marriage.

Luke: Well, no I mean, I'm sorry it's come to it that you see it that way but I think that you are missing out on one of the great treasures of life and that's...

Vivian: And How do you know, you're not even married, you just have this idealistic marriage um idea in your head..

Luke: O.K. How about this? I'll appeal to on a more of a legalistic and pragmatic angle, I mean, without marriage. You don't get all these tax-breaks and stuff and you don't get the same benefits that, that you'd get if you're married. If you're single, you're just living together that's not gonna, that's not gonna, that's not gonna hold up in a court-of-law. There are so many benefits you get. Just from a pragmatic point of view.

Vivian: I'll play your game. I'll adopt a kid, ha.

Bow: But you won't get respect from society, society doesn't, does not respect single mothers or single women.

Vivian: I'll donate, I'll donate. Why not?

Daisy: Because society is ruled by a government of white, conservative men, and there in lies the problem.

Vivian: O.K. What about this? Alright Bow, I honestly, don't believe you are satisfied with your marriage, you're not lustful of your wife, and she isn't of you. You guys are in it on your marriage, it's a functional marriage. You guys feel like you have to be with each other, you have to raise this picture (Daisy: Three kids) perfect family, exactly, and you are tied down by your kids and your dog and your BMW and your two door garage.

Luke: Have you never seen them together the way they're fawn over each other, and dote on each other?

Vivian: In front of others, sure.

Bow: You, just, you're saying that from lack of experience, you just haven't been there, once you cross over to the other side then maybe we can have this conversation.

Vivian: I don't wanna be on the other side. I'm perfectly happy living the life that I am.

Bow: Sure, promiscuous and just another man every other night and, you know, you don't know if you have a disease or, you know...

Luke: Ignorance is bliss.

Bow: Exactly.

Vivian: I get my pap smear every six months.

Bow: Doesn't matter, the thing is, it's not.., you're just thinking about sex in the, because of the, the function of sex. It just pure lust and that's not what it's all about, it's about like, yes, of course.

Daisy: Well, you're not thinking about the lust when you use those toys with your wife?

Bow: No, maybe, she is, but to me, (Daisy: Maybe she is), it's really, it's like um the ultimate of a... coming together, that fusion of marriage and love is, is intercourse, with each other and it's not just the function of it. It's, it's more like a union of our souls coming together, and it's not like, you know, of course, I think of other women as attractive, wow, she is really beautiful, and but.., it's more of an attraction to my wife, well, I mean, even when I see her naked with her stretch marks and her rolls, that's doesn't matter to me. It's just like, I don't even see that.

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Daisy: Right, (Bow: You don't even know) well, that's a beautiful thing, if that's true, but some, for most people, it doesn't, love doesn't exist on that level, and you can be with people and they become unattractive to you, and why at this age? My mistake was, I'll admit it, I don't have a problem with that I can admit my mistakes. My mistake was marrying too young. And now I'm at this point in my life where I want to move on. I need to progress, and I feel I'm not progressing with my husband, he has not progressed.

Bow: And how does he feel about it? Does he know about it?

Daisy: Well, actually he still wants to remain married, but he is still the same person that he was five years ago, and I feel I've evolved and I don't wanna be with him. I can't connect with him on the same intellect, the same level, that same soul mating that I had with him five years ago, is gone and I'm not attracted to him not in the slightest bit in fact when he touches me, I'd rather puke.

Luke: No, you're just going through a phase, it will pass, everybody goes through it, that's true. I think, I don't know, I think that attraction, you know, comes and goes, but really when it's the, when it's the right the thing it's never ends.

Daisy: Believe me baby, it's gone (Luke: No... No)

Bow: Ah, it might also be, I mean you seem to be getting close to that age of like menopause? So maybe that's it, like ... you know...

Vivian: Menopause after five years of marriage when she got married young?

Daisy: I'm only thirty years old.

Bow: Oh, I'm sorry.

Vivian: Anyways, I don't see the reason why someone has to remain married or get married. I mean you can seek out a different life style for yourself and that doesn't mean being promiscuous every night and sleeping with another man or woman, you can certainly...

Luke: But It does, it does mean that, if you just can't (Vivian: Why?) seem to, if you can't seem to find that one person that does it for you, and draws you into their world so much, you wanna be the part of that world, you wanna, you wanna love everything about this person, you know, you wanna know what they think (Vivian: But why have.., why?) you wanna know what they feel, you wanna, when you meet them you know, food tastes better and like colors are more vibrant and stuff.., that's...

Bow: You leave the door open when you go to the bathroom.

Luke: Yeah, there's a trust there, there's, there's a fully, there's a freedom and there's a genuine like ecstatic and rapturous joy, (Daisy: Well, then let me ask you this, boy.) that you get from just giving of yourself to another person.

Vivian: But why must you marry them, why do you have to make a vow and marry someone, it's, it's just a piece of paper, and.., it's a license (Bow: No, no.).

Daisy: And, further more, further more, urn, here you are Bow, you know, going on and on and on about the virtues of a marriage, your marriage values when you walked into that sanctified institution called the church, told you that you were only allowed to have sexual relations with your wife, and here you are, inviting virtual strangers into your boudoir. And how can you justify that?

Bow: Excuse me, Miss, not at all. It's was actually in a synagogue ... and our rules are different there.

Daisy: Excuse me the Jewish the, the Jewish religion says that you can invite strangers into your bedroom.

Bow: Yes.

Daisy: I think not.

Luke: Actually, not. It's yeah, not it's doesn't actually says that, I don't think, but, but, it goes back to my other point earlier that, like it's not always the letter of the law. Sometimes you have to you have to abide by the spirit of the law? Do you know what I'm saying, people?

Vivian: And what is the law? What, what? The words on the certificate of your marriage license?

Luke: Well, actually, it doesn't come in a certificate with like little rules on it.

Daisy: Because the government says you're allowed to live and fornicate with this person? Then it's okay.

Luke: Well, it was not only O.K. Yes, it's great that you can that you can know that this person is gonna be for you there. All the time through thick and thin you know, no matter what kind of trials and tribulations live can throw at you.

Daisy: Well, what kind of person is gonna be there, because I'm not gonna be there for my husband, I want a divorce.

Luke: But then you're not keeping up your end of the agreement that you've made.

Daisy: The agreement that what my local government or my senate told me that I had to fulfill?

Luke: Hey, hey!

Vivian: The agreement that went void and null.

Luke: No, no, no, you, they, the government didn't force you to get married, I'm sorry. But I mean, you took that decision upon yourself.

Daisy: I did, and I admitted my mistake, that I made a mistake; I got married to the wrong guy. But how can you sit there in your, on your sanctimonious pedestal (Vivian: Single) and tell me that I should stay with this me who I'm totally, 100%, unhappy and unsatisfied with. And I can't move on with my life? Give me one good reason.

Luke: O.K. Alright. If you, I guess if you, if you acknowledge that you've made a mistake, I guess I'll have to I'll say alright on that. But I still think that you've taken the wrong turn, T don't think that you should give up on the institution of marriage, or the institution of love, you know, I mean of, like forever love, you know, the kind of love that just keeps on giving and giving.

Bow: You haven't tried hard enough.

Daisy: Well, maybe, somewhere down on the track, if you guys give me let me get a divorce, I might find that guy.

Luke: No, I mean, it's, it's a free country, you can do whatever you want. I'm just saying don't sell yourself short by saying like the whole thing's a sham. I mean, obviously, there has to be some kind of merit to it, look how many people do it? (Bow: Exactly) Everybody gets married; it's the thing to do.

Vivian: And everybody gets divorced these days, look at the divorce rate. It's about fifty percent now, for the past twenty years.

Luke: I'm not saying that's right. I don't think that's right, I think that's wrong.

Daisy: Because people go into marriage for the wrong reasons, (Vivian: Exactly) and they do it because they want to conform to society.

Vivian: And too soon without knowing for sure that they really want to commit to that sort of relationship, why must you commit to, you can get married at the age of forty for the first time and only time in your life. (Luke: Sure) (Daisy: Hey man) You can find the one committed partner and live with them or have relations with them for twenty, thirty years without having a marriage license, to bond you guys together.

Luke: Oh, no, no, well of course, well O.K. I believe you can find that love at any point in your life.

Vivian: So as long as you've found that love, that, that one person, right, in your book, you don't have to get married. After you find that person, then you can go ahead and get married if you want to, but why force it on someone else when it may not suit them, maybe it was a mistake.

Bow: I'll tell you why. It's because you can never really trust your partner until you have that commitment. The sign on the dotted line, until you have that then there's an ultimate trust it goes beyond human, urn, intellect, you can't even imagine, what it's like.., cause you're not married.

Vivian: Then, perhaps your love is not as solid as you think it is if you need a signature on a dotted line, instead of the trust and the bond and the honesty that you have with each other.

Daisy: O.K, if you are right Bow, the things that melds and meshes two people together is that signature on the dotted line. Then how do you feel about the fact that my sister, who I love with all my heart and my soul, who's been there through thick and thin, all the things in my life. I could go on for so long, but that's an another story. She is a lesbian, and I'm proud to say that, I don't have any problems with saying that. I don't I don't. But anyway she is a lesbian and she is in involved in a relationship now, she's fifteen years older than me by the way, she's forty-five, she's been in involved in a relationship now for twenty years. Twenty years, they've been devoted to each other they have an adopted child; they love each other with all their heart. They're wonderful, they're, they're better than you, and Mary Lou, they don't even have to bring in toys and other women or whatever, but they are completely happy together, and they can't get married, they can't sign on that dotted line, and what do you have to say that.

Bow: Let me respond to that, urn, you know, because your sister is a sexual deviant in our society, um, you know, she's not able to actually have a real marriage and I think she's probably regrets that.

Daisy: Excuse me, deviant? Wasn't it you telling us about you bring strangers into your bedroom?

Bow: That was a sacrifice to keep my marriage alive.

Vivian: And isn't that I think that marriage.

Daisy: I think you are a hypocrite.

Vivian: And those marriage vows are (Luke: Hey,) supposed to be about, they're supposed to be between two and there's supposed to be sacred in your words. But they're not sacred anymore after you've invited half the neighborhood into your bedroom.

Luke: Well, O.K. What is the goal of sex? I mean, what is the whole point of it? Is it for pleasure? Well, maybe as a sort of distraction, I mean, I think the purpose is for procreation. I don't think the people should just be getting together and shagging just to have like.

Daisy: This is the misconception that rest of the society, especially the male population seems to have. A homosexual relationship is not about sex, it's about the fact that two people love each other, just as same as a man and a woman love each other, they don't feel that way with another person. They only feel that way with one another, because the person they're with is their soul mate, the person you're seeking, Luke. So you're sitting there, on your little preaching pedestal, telling me about going out and finding your soul mate, when my sister has her soul mate, she's been with her for twenty years, faithful, Bow. Hasn't had any strangers in the bedrooms. She is happy, and they're together. And they're solid and they are solidified, they're gel.

Luke: I don't think that, I don't think that they have monogamous relationships (Bow: Yeah), I think they're always is, you gotta admit with homosexual relationships, there's always some fooling around, ... if you have guys...

Vivian: Why, I'm sorry.

Daisy: No, No, I'm sorry, I know my sister, I know her, you don't...

Bow: And also, with lesbians, I mean, I'm sure that they're not totally sexual satisfied, yeah, how could they be? I mean, just tongues and fingers...what.... I don't...

Vivian: And neither are you and that's why you need your dildo, right?

Daisy: Yeah, well, obviously, you're doing something wrong, Bow. (Bow: Well...)

Vivian: Aren't performing up to your...

Bow: No, see you don't understand, I'm just.., it's just to be, it's just to be creative (Vivian: Pardon? Pardon?) in the bedroom and not keep it monotonous and um... to... you know, it's just to keep it spicy, it's just a little extra, extra added on.

Vivian: Well maybe if you had the equipment too, you wouldn't need it any other equipment?

Luke: I tell you what's monotonous? Monotonous is like going out every night, picking up some like babe in a bar, taking her home, (Vivian: Like you do, uh?) and having like wild sex with them and then waking up in the morning, they make you breakfast and they leave.

Bow: It's disgusting.

Luke: It's terrible, I don't, it's just, it doesn't do it for me.

Vivian: You don't believe in it, you just practice it.

Daisy: Well, that's fine. My sister is not doing that and her partner isn't doing that either, why can't she have the same right as you, I want, if marriage's alright for you and Mary Lou, Bow. I want it to be alright for Helen, I'm ready.

Luke: Fair enough, fair enough. I'll side with you on that. I'll say that, I'll say that the institution of love and marriage, it goes beyond anything, beyond like a sexual orientation, beyond a, race, creed, color belief, anything. I think the love is the thing that, that, erases all those boundaries, all those distinctions that we try to build up between each other. I think love is the great bulldozer of ideological conflict. And I think that is the thing, that is the thing the main, the most important thing that the big the enforcer, the prime mover of love.

Vivian: Yes, sir, I mean...? Jimmy Swaggart? Amen.

Luke: It's marriage, it's marriage.., that's what makes it love.

Daisy: Well, and why can't they have marriage?

Vivian: Why can't you not have marriage?

Daisy: Answer my question!

Luke: I agree, I agree, they should, I mean, thinking it over, I think that they should, if they're truly in love, and they truly wanna go all the way with it, and they're having the kind of thing I've been dreaming of all these years, then who am I to say that they can' have that? Or that they shouldn't be able to, to... make it alright, but then you're contradicting yourself you're saying that, that they should get married.

Bow: I'm sorry.

Daisy: Well, I'm saying that they found each other, that's fine. In my case, I haven't found that person. I'm a completely different case, Luke, completely different.

Luke: But, if you found that person, would you get married again?

Daisy: If I was able to find that person who satisfied me on every level, emotionally, physically, sexually, yes. I would go for it. I would get the whole kit and caboodle.

Bow: Yeah, and five years later? Divorce.

Vivian: Why does the epitome of life have to surround a companion or marriage, or love. Why do you need that? Why can't you have a... fulfill your life and have a satisfying life with work and friends and a nice social life?

Bow: Uh? You know humans are innately gorgeous, they need people around them. (Luke: Yeah)

Vivian: Yeah, I've got lots of people around me, what about it?

Luke: That's not the same thing. I mean having friends and loose contacts and acquaintances and stuff, that's, that's shallow, I mean everybody has that and of course it's important but what you are looking for, the whole point of life, I believe, is making that one true commitment, where you just give everything of yourself, and you don't even know where, you stop, and the other person begins.

Daisy: O.K. We've heard it all before Luke, and actually, you know, I know that, um, most of you know, I've known  Luke: for quite a while and... There are a few things in your argument that don't quite, kind of gel, Luke, like for example, you're saying that when you're with a woman you let her know that you're looking for something more and then you go ahead and you have relations with her and if it's doesn't work out, you move on, is that what you tell, um, the women you hired down on the corner of fifth avenue?

Luke: Hey, hey, hey.., don't go slinging mud at me now.., that's a, that's a whole different, that's a whole different, I'm not even gonna comment, I'm not even gonna justify those comments.

Vivian: And, and you're talking about this cycle that's going to form, well I mean throwing away, throwing away each women after every night one night stand, I mean isn't that forming a cycle just like, she's gonna divorce.

Daisy: What about those women feelings? Do you think that they're chattels?

Luke: Hey, I don't, I'm not talking about one night stands here, I'm talking several nights, you know, several...

Vivian: Several nights...

Luke: Several nights to work out some sort of like rapport with the person, I mean, the initial rapport, like in a bar, night club or something. And maybe you'll have a bit of rapport, and you'll go home and get you get, more, more of a rapport...

Vivian: And the next night you just can't send her home, so you (Daisy: Yeah) have another night with her?

Luke: Yeah, but I'll know, I'll so.

Daisy: What's the criteria you're judging these women on, well, I mean, do you find out if they can cook or do you find out if they can do your laundry well enough? Or if they can iron? or you know...

Luke: No, no, no, no, I mean, just like a, you know, little things like compatibility things just like, just things they might say or do or maybe they just.., like certain things about them. It has nothing to do with that. I said before, I think I said that before.

Vivian: How they perform in bed?

Vivian: So why don't you be more specific? What about what they say or do or what...

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Luke: Well, I don't know, like if I say something to them, and I think that, that one thing they would say would be really funny, and then they say something totally different. That's a sure sign that maybe it's not meant to be, like I want someone who's kind of like a mirror reflection of me, as a woman, and I don't think that's asking too much.

Daisy: Why don't you marry your mirror?

Vivian: And you're not answering in the question. Why you have to conform to society's ideal picture? Where you have to find that other love in your life and marry them? I mean why can't you live a life like me? I have a, nice job and I'm satisfied with what I do and have many friends and I have a companion, I have a companion, but we've come to mutual understanding that we will not marry but we're still, we're so committed to each other.

Daisy: And your in a monogamous relationship, right, she's having sex with one person, they're happy, but they don't want, they, their relationship (Luke: But) excuse me, is on a completely different spiritual plane (Vivian: and...) they don't need the signature on the dotted line.

Vivian: And ... since we're not restricted to your morality rules, we can probably get divorced any time we want to, huh?

Luke: Well, I just think you're full of hot air though I think you just like, I think you're just talking, I mean it's like "oh we have this big thing and it's a spiritual plane. Well, put your money where your mouth is and sign the dotted line?

Daisy: Oh Ye who has no partner.

Luke: Hey, at least I'm looking, and I know what I'm looking for.

Vivian: And a blank dotted line.

Luke: Yeah, but at least, I know what I'm looking for.

Vivian: I know what I'm looking for; I've found what I'm looking for.

Luke: So marry it.

Vivian: I don't wanna marry it, I'm happy I am, I am perfectly satisfied, I'm not insecure enough to need that signature, I have his signatures all over...

Bow: Yes you are, yes you are, that's why you're not doing it (Luke: right).

Vivian: Why, why?

Daisy: You guys have no idea what you are talking about.

Bow: You're just gonna be a, a black sheep in society, people are not gonna respect you (Vivian: Exactly that's exactly what I'm talking about) as a couple and it seems like you just you have no respect for society, because you're just gonna living sin, and then once you guys are...

Vivian: Why is it sin? Living in sin? Why must I conform to...?

Daisy: Sin? Sin, don't go there Bow-, sin? Excuse me, who's been sinning Bow?

Vivian: Go back to your synagogue.

Bow: What?

Luke: People gonna laugh at you guys, you know.

Vivian: Why, What is conforming to society? Why must you conform to... this ideal that society upholds to you.

Bow: Do you always have to be a rebel? You always have to be deviant?

Vivian: Yeah, I'm a rebel without a cause.

Daisy: And you!!

Bow: No, and then the first time that you have, like a small little tiff then anyone can just leave and that's the end of the relationship, and then what do you do? You are either left alone, or you have to do go and do the same thing over again. You have your one night stand and do all this disgusting stuff?

Vivian: I, you know what, you know that I've never had, I've never cheated out my man, and ...

Bow: How would I know?

Vivian: And you know what I just said, yes, exactly, I don't have that piece of paper, that holds us together, and bonds us together, we have our own respect and the trust that we have with each other...

Bow: It's a facade.

Vivian: Facade?

Daisy: I'll tell you what, facade, facade. Well, here you go. I mean, I've been married for five years and what am I seeking after five years, of this marital bliss that you guys are talking about. I'm seeking freedom, absolutely, I want freedom, I want the freedom to go here and go there and then to come home when I want to. And if I wanna bring him home then that's who I'll bring home that's what I'm seeking. I want freedom. I want control over my life, I don't want anyone whether it be the government, or men to tell me what to do.

Luke: O.K. Fair enough. But you gotta understand that it won't be like that forever, I mean you're not gonna want it once you get it again, you're not gonna want that kind of freedom, you're gonna, you're gonna seek out the kind of freedom that all people really want deep down inside whether they acknowledge it or not. And that is the freedom to fully give of themselves to another person and to be bonded forever in holy matrimony.

Vivian: Well, I'll agree, up to everything you said, except the holy matrimony, the last two words, why holy matrimony, why do you need that piece of paper, sorry, you don't...

Bow: Course you think like that, you're like a satanist, you're living in sin.

Vivian: Oh, my goodness.

Daisy: Oh, he who he who has not sinned throw the first, stone.

Bow: What're you talking about? You married your high school sweetheart, that's the only girl you were ever with, look at that, they've been together, how many, how many years like.., like...

Vivian: And the other woman he's invited into their bedrooms.

Bow: We've lost our virginities together.

Daisy: Excuse me; there are many mansions in the lords house.

Bow: What?

Vivian: Speechless, hey?

Luke: Well, I don't know.

Daisy: He who is sitting there telling us about, religion, and holy vows, you've breaking yours several times already.

Bow: Oh yeah, well people who live in glass houses take showers in the basement alright?

Daisy: Ha Ha.

Luke: Come on, let's not throw stick and stones at each other, guys! Let's get together on this.

Daisy: Well the problem is that we have fundamental differences here. I believe that I should be in control of my freedom and I don't want a man to dictate that, and Viv, Viv just wants to be able to have her relationship on her own terms.

Luke: O.K. well, this shouldn't become a battle of the sexes; I don't wanna sound like I coming off preaching as a man to a woman, I'm just talking about like...

Daisy: Well you are.

Luke: Well, I'm just talking about like, well, but, just because I'm a man, but if I was a woman saying this to you, would you feel that, you know, you're being railed at by another woman, no, just because I'm a man, that doesn't mean that, doesn't meant that, I'm trying to take the male view point and try to lord things over you. I'm just saying that my point of view is that, love is eternal and love is great, it's the only thing, love redeems alt, it's the most important thing, and marriage make it real.

Vivian: This is the man that said that it is O.K. for man to hit a woman. You know why...

Luke: I didn't say it was O.K.

Bow: But it is.

Daisy: Luke, Luke, you would agree with me that this society is a patriarchal society, right?

Luke: To a degree.

Daisy: To a degree. Which degree would that be?

Luke: To a large degree.

Daisy: O.K. and women when they enter the institution of marriage, they are, whether they do it subconsciously or consciously, expected to perform a certain role, and they fall into that role, because the society wants them to fall into that role, and I don't, except that, I reject that, I, I absolutely reject that, I'm looking for something more in my life, I don't want to be another statistic in society. I've already made myself that. I'm a divorce, or almost. I don't wanna be this woman who cooks and cleans and is bare-foot and pregnant for someone, for somebody who doesn't even appreciate it.

Vivian: And the reason why it is pointless to point this out to Bow and Luke, is because, you guys are stuck in your own little worlds over there, and Bow, you're not even married, you haven't even found your companion, do you?

Bow: I am married.

Vivian: Oh, I'm sorry, Luke, Luke, you haven't even found your companion, you're still going out there night after night, banging this girl and that, and...

Luke: Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Vivian: OK. You say that you want to make this commitment. After you've made that step then come back to us and preach to us, okay?

Luke: Alright, look. I think I can be allowed to dream, I mean, I'm just, I'm just, of course, we're all just giving our opinions on these things.

Vivian: Dream weaver.

Luke: I'm not saying, I'm not trying to come off as being condescending and trying to preach or lord anything over anybody, I'm just saying that like, sometimes you have to look at things beyond yourself, you have to, you have to, have faith in something that's bigger that yourself.

Daisy: Please do that. Please look beyond yourself here.

Luke: Well, I'm trying to.

Vivian: You know I could look at it from your point of you and you say, look at you, you hypocritical prick, go and find yourself a companion, go and get married. Why don't you get married. Why haven't you found your, found your other love your other companion.

Daisy: And what about, how many girls are we talking about here? How many in general terms?

Vivian: And what girl, if I happened to be that girl, I wouldn't want you, because you're dirty now, you're filthy dirty, (Luke: Hey, hey...) you’ve been with every other girl on the block, you are used property and nobody wants to buy used cars anymore, they just don't run like they used to.

Daisy: Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free?

Luke: Come on, don't turn this on me, alright? I'm doing my thing with...

Vivian: You know you're doing your thing.

Luke: I and, and don't get the wrong idea about what I'm doing, either. It's a, it's a very chaste situation I'm doing.

Vivian: Honorable?

Luke: Yeah. I'm very honorable, I'm a gentleman, damn it.

Daisy: Well, gentleman, well, O.K. I'm not, I'm neither a gentleman or lady, and I'm proud of that, because I am who I am. I wanna be free to experience things and whether that means, me being with either a man in marriage, or woman in a marriage, I wanna be free to explore all avenues.

Luke: So, what you're gonna be a lesbian now?

Bow: You're a lesbian like your sisters?

Luke: .lust because your marriage doesn't work out? See, this is what I'm talking about. People go off these roads less travelled, that are really just deviant, and really not right, and don't contribute to the procreation of human kind.

Daisy: Well, maybe.

Vivian: What makes it not right?

Luke: Because the divorce, the divorce, the divorce makes...

Daisy: I travelled the road less travelled and that made all the difference.

Luke: No, that's not how it goes.

Vivian: And what if Daisy, were not to get a divorce, what if she weren't to get a divorce, but still seek out other mates, like Bow, in his righteous marriage is doing right now.

Bow: No. I didn't seek out other mates. I just said that the.., my significant other.

Vivian: You said, you said bring it on!

Bow: I accepted her proposal if that would spice up and bring some creativity to the bedroom, that's all, and the bedroom is only one aspect of the marriage, there's so many other aspects of it, you haven't even touched on it.

Daisy: Did it hurt you? Did it hurt you, though; Bow, when she is screaming another man's name?

Bow: That is a little painful but, something that I can get over, well, I mean, I'm doing it for the, ultimate goal of, keeping the marriage together, I mean, it0s hard work like people say, but...

Daisy: I've got this, you know, I have this problem here, I think, Bow, is more concerned with the marriage than he is with the relationship.

Luke:  No, no, no.

Vivian: And upholding the image of how it looks to other people.

Bow: That is part of it, but that, you are totally missing the point, there's so much more to it than that, we have an understanding between each other, which, you guys seem like, obviously will don't understand and never understand.

Vivian: No. because I'm saying the same thing to you, I have an understanding with my companion (Bow: No, that's not an understanding).

Vivian: I mean, so, why can't you not be with each other and have, actually, which is the most innocent, and most simple kind of love, is the understanding and the trust that you have with each other. Which come to the question, what is love? What is your understanding of love? Having a piece of paper? Vows (Luke: No.) in front of a preacher? (Luke: No.) Then what is your idea of love?

Luke: The vows come after the love. The vows and the paper are just a sort; of, sort of, an affirmation and Public statement like.

Vivian: A seal of approval.

Luke: Yeah, O.K. it can mean that if you like it, but, I mean, the bottom line is love is what love is, and I mean and I guess it's just it's different to. different people, well I mean. I guess, I just, I have a deeper understating of it, and that's all.

Vivian: I think that's exactly what the problem is; the definition of love is so different for all of us, that we're coming at opposite ends of each other. Bow, apparently thinks that love is the fulfillment of (Daisy: Marriage, marriage) society's ideal of marriage, and having, creating that perfect home and family well, Luke is still searching to fulfill those shoes, and Daisy, here thinks she thought that she was conforming, and then that was probably the right thing to do, but comes to realize that she has evolved into a different person and this may not be exactly what she was looking for. She was a little too, eager to maybe step into the role that society has expected of her.

Daisy: Well, you know, I guess, look, all I can say is that, when I went into this, I was young, and I really didn't know what I know now, I thought I was in love with this guy, I thought I knew this guy, I didn't know this guy. And he just wasn't, how can I say? I really, he just couldn't satisfy me, in many ways, physically, spiritually, and on a emotional level. I feel I've grown, and I feel that he hasn't grown. And I'm at this place in my life right now, where I'm feeling, boxed in. I feel like I can't breath I want to break free. I want to be on my own. I want that freedom. I'm seeking essentially freedom. That's what I'm looking for and I know that I'm not gonna be able to find it with my husband. I want to move on. I'm ready to move on. This is my right of passage in my life. This is my epiphany.., if you like.

Luke: Okay. I understand where you're coming from and um, I feel for you. I have a great amount of compassion, for your situation, and I don't wanna come off as being vindictive or anything. And I just hope that what, what we've spoken about here, will maybe sway you back to the side of, of love, and to the side of, of that holy institution of marriage. Because you had a bad experience. You weren't the first one, I mean, many people have had these experience. I've had them myself. I didn't take it as far of course, but I mean, we all have had. We've all loved and lost. We've all had, you know, love unrequited, but I think that the thing is that we should all hopefully come away with it at the end of this discussion, is that love conquers all. And we should never give up on it.

Bow: I think the marriage is on many different levels and there are problems on certain levels, and you just have to solve those problem where you can. You guys are totally off, way off base with what you're talking about and I think you should reconsider your opinions.

Vivian: Speaking of way of bases is you, Bow. I mean with your sanctuary love and your devoted family and this and that, and then you go off and invite other people into your bedroom? That's what I just call ridiculous, O.K. you don't need a piece of paper to say that you are going to be together forever, that's just a piece of paper, and if you love each other, and trust each other and have an enough respect for each other, you don't need anything to say that yes we give you permission to be together.

Daisy: But I still love you guys.

Luke: Yeah, I guess that's the bottom line.

Bow: Love conquers all.

Vivian: We're still friends, O.K.

看着文本，听着语音，眼睛跟上语音播放的位置：
播放语音，看着文本，在人命名后面的文本用鼠标从左向右选择一个人的语音文本点黑，熟练的可以用眼睛直接看选定的文本块，鼠标顺着播放的文字移动的方法，连续练习经过剪切的一个语音文件。
也可以初次阅读可以放慢速50%速度，在播放的人名后面，直接在文本上面，右拉文本，逐段进行阅读。


压码听懂或者压码跟读练习，压码记忆语音和文本对应关系，理解语音的意思

  一边播放语音，一边逐段用鼠标选择点黑，逐段复读，进行压码一个句子、多重压码、压码自然分段、连环压码练习，开始可以先逐段跟读练习，熟练后即可练习压码听懂，连续练习直到一个15分钟语音结束。
  连续练习数遍，逐步达到压码理解的目的。
 


反复练习，直到眼睛看着文本，耳朵带着耳机，跟上语音对应的文本，开始先不要求理解意思，主要练习阅读不泵掉语音目标即可。


看着语音频练习压码听懂
  利用Transcribe软件，播放语音，不看文本，看着语音频谱图练习压码一个句子，回想压码的文本内容，直到一个15分钟的语音练习完毕为止。反复练习几遍达到逐句压码理解记忆的目的。

看着文本，不听语音，回想磁带的语音，可以阅读，也可以朗读练习
    听说大突破由于有大量重复说碎句子，更接近自然说口语的实际，这样非常接近进行英语思维的过程，对于说口语是一个很好的练习。
    为了压码阅读理解记忆，可以进行对一个 分解的15分磁带的文本练习压码阅读，也可以练习压码朗读，面积注意练习碎句子的重复思维的过程，也可以练习句子分段的各个简单句子，也可以去掉重复的碎句子还原规范的句子的能力。
    看着文本，不听语音，逐个句子回想磁带语音，可以加深压码听懂的理解和记忆的目的，对整个语音，有一个完整的记忆的目的。