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Vivian:
Well, see,
。。。but she doesn't feel it,
she doesn't know。。。 that it's magic.
She doesn't 。。。feel it at all.
.Luke:
But, at that time,
she did.
She's just lost something 。。。that used to 。。。just be there,
。。。and she just has to 。。。rekindle 。。。。that again.
It's still there,
(Daisy: But it's gone.)
it's doesn't just。。。 go away
you don't. 。。。People just don't。。。 like have something 。。。。and it disappears.
(Vivian: What if she's mistaken?)
I mean,。。。 well, 。。。that she must have mistaken,
well, then ... (Vivian: In the last it all?)
I don't think 。。。she did.
I don't think 。。。she did.
I don't think。。。。 that people make。。。。 mistake like that.
。。。 When it comes 。。。to matters of the heart,
I think you know, 。。。。you know。。。。 right off the bat.
Matters 。。。of the heart,
you can be wrong 。。。about math equations,
。。。。 and you can be。。。 wrong about,。。。
like your positions。。。。 on things。。。。 or like on historical facts.
。。。。But on matters of the heart
you're always right.
You can't, 。。。I mean。。。 intuition is everything.
Daisy:
Like Michael Jackson。。。 and Lisa Mary Presley,
(Michael, Yeah, Lisa Mary)
。。。or Dennis Rodman 。。。and or Carmen Electra.
Luke:
I don't know。。。。 these people,
。。。。but I think。。。 if they were。。。 gonna make the big plunge,
they were gonna。。。 go out 。。。and get married,
。。。and make 。。。these huge commitment。。。 to each other 。。。as this united whole.
Two candles becoming one,
you know.。。。 I think 。。。。that something 。。。was there。。。 that is still there,
。。。it's just 。。。that the thing。。。 that made it。。。 work has gone,
。。。 it's dormant now.
。。。 And it's 。。。a matter of trying to 。。。find it again。。。 and bring it back up,
(Vivian: O.K.)
。。。and I think。。。 anything is, 。。。like, just..,
can be overcome.
Any kind of conflicts you had,
。。。if you're 。。。in the bond of marriage,
。。。and you had the idea。。。 in the first place,
(Daisy: Oh that’s 。。。a little naive, Luke.)
it's real,。。。 it's real, 。。。no, it's real.
Vivian:
How, how about 。。。not trying to。。。 rekindle。。。 that fire,
。。。but, just say,。。。 "Hey, the flame is。。。 gone,
。。。 and it's died out,。。。 and you're never 。。。gonna find it again,
。。。so why not。。。 go and try to, 。。。come to 。。。a mutual understanding, 。。。and say "Hey,
。。。let's go 。。。and find another companion,。。。 or just find happiness in our lives"
Luke:
Well, I think 。。。that's。。。 a very defeatist attitude,
(Vivian: 。。。。Why is it defeatist?)
I think,。。。 I think 。。。it creates。。。 a very dangerous pattern。。。 for the rest of your life.
If something, 。。。if something just 。。。doesn't work out,
。。。 like you kind of get a thrill off it 。。。and then。。。 it's starts going on,
。。。 and all of sudden,
it doesn't have the same,
the same kick it used to 。。。have。。。 and it doesn't,
。。。there's。。。 a diminished return you're 。。。getting from it,
you don't just。。。 give up 。。。from it 。。。and walk away,
I mean, 。。。what are you 。。。gonna walk away。。。 from your whole life,
you gotta,。。。 you gotta,。。。 sometimes。。。 you've got to。。。 put yourself 。。。on the line,
and this is 。。。one of those things。。。 where you have to。。。 do that.
Daisy:
O.K. alright, O.K. Luke, well,
Here's Sally 。。。and Ben, and,。。。 Sally and 。。。Ben,
they grew up 。。。in high school together,
。。。and they had。。。 a wonderful relationship
。。。。 and they did that。。。 whole fairy tale wedding
。。。。and they thought they were 。。。very happy,
。。。and well, 。。。somewhere along the line,
Ben, 。。。kind of got 。。。a little bit violent,
。。。 and he would beat Sally
。。。and beat the children
。。。and Sally tried to。。。 get him help but,。。。
he wouldn't。。。 get him help,
。。。。 and then Sally said,。。。
"well, you know,。。。 but this is。。。 the dream。。。 of our marriage?
。。。Should I stay here?
。。。 And 。。。what about 。。。children?
。。。 And there comes a point,
。。。 don't you think。。。 when a woman。。。 in a situation。。。 like that, 。。。should leave?
Luke:
Well, you left a part out there,
。。。because, 。。。you just said,。。。
all of a sudden,
he just started beating them up?
。。。 What changed?
。。。Like 。。。what did she do
。。。, what is,。。。
how did she change。。。 that made him start beating them up,
like, I mean 。。。obviously
(Bow: Exactly) there was,。。。
something there 。。。and it shifted
。。。and the situation was made different,
。。。 that caused the man to。。。 start to 。。。becoming violent.
(Vivian: That is)
I mean, 。。。he didn't have that。。。 in high school,
I mean, 。。。I hope 。。。if he was doing。。。 that in high school,
she didn't like it.
I assume she doesn't.
Daisy:
Well, some people,
some people have。。。 violent tendencies
。。。 and they don't。。。 manifest them 。。。until later life,
。。。and perhaps he's just 。。。manifested them,
。。。 maybe it was 。。。Ben's fault, 。。。and not Sally's fault.
Luke:
Well, maybe,。。。 but, 。。I mean,。。。 obviously not,
he just didn't。。。 wake up and 。。。did
(Daisy: You're attacking women,
that's。。。 what you're doing)
no I'm not, no I'm not,
(Daisy: You are),
I'm not at all,
I'm just saying 。。。that obviously something changed。。。 in the situation and,。。。
。。。 maybe it was 。。。within Ben,
。。 like maybe。。。 it was frustration 。。。with his job
。。。or something like that.
(Vivian: Exactly, maybe。。。 it was with him)
I'm not saying that,。。。 and I guess 。。。in that situation,
yeah, I mean, 。。。it makes it。。。 a lot harder,
。。。 but I still think。。。 it's overcomeable,
I think 。。。that if he could just,
。。。 if he just could。。。 take the fighting element out..
。。。, that in him hitting them,
。。。 then it would be。。。 a good marriage again, right.
Bow:
Well, she could。。。 learn to。。。 fight back。。。 a little bit, 。。。you know.
Luke:
Sure.
Bow:
Defend herself a little bit.
Luke:
Well, that might 。。。escalate things.
Maybe that's。。。 not good.
I, I don't think 。。。violence 。。。in a marriage 。。。is really gonna...
Bow:
。。。But then maybe 。。。he could see her 。。。as his equal again,
。。。 and then。。 get on with things.
Luke:
Possibly, possibly.
Daisy:
Well, What about, 。。。O.K. Mr. Love,
please tell me。。。 then,
。。。what I'm gonna do.
Here I am living。。。 with this guy,
。。。and I well obviously have,
。。。well I'm married to him,
。。。and I, obviously have 。。。some problems。。。 with him,
。。。but my thing is, 。。。is that 。。。the I've met another man at work,
。。。and I'm very attracted to him?
。。。And I'd like to 。。。have sexual relations 。。。with him.
Now 。。。how do I stop myself 。。。from doing that?
Luke:
Well, see, you've already created the pattern。。。 for yourself though,
。。。cause if you had the same feelings。。。 for this guy 。。。that you did。。。 for your husband,。。。
is it gonna, 。。。is gonna lead to, 。。。is gonna go down。。。 the same way?
Daisy:
I don't want to 。。。get married again.
Luke:
Well... well.., why?
Bow:
Why, the marriage is...
Luke:
You have to.。。。 I mean, 。。。If it's the right thing,
。。。if you feel 。。。that kind of attraction 。。。to him,
you have to, 。。。you have to 。。。like consummate it.
Vivian:
You can't have, 。。。oh consummate it。。。 with sex?
You can't have。。。 a sexual relationship 。。。with someone。。。 without being married?
Daisy:
You're doing that, man?
Luke:
Of course, I am,
。。。but, I'm just doing it to。。。 discover 。。。about people,
I'm trying to 。。。get at their inner souls.
Daisy:
。。。And you can only do 。。。that。。。 because you're a man,
we can't.。。。 Cause we're female?
Luke:
I'm not 。。。saying that?
Bow:
It's not 。。。as good,
I mean 。。。having sexual relations with, 。。。
just a, 。。。you know, 。。。
a person。。。 that you meet 。。。in a bar 。。。or something,
it means nothing.
It's 2- dimensional,
it doesn't it matter。。。 how sexy they are?
Vivian:
O.K. Daisy?
Just you know,。。。 tell him..,。。。
let's meet。。。 at the bar。。。 and meet him all you want,
。。。 and do whatever you want。。。 with him.
Bow:
I mean, the thing...
Daisy:
Well, yeah, 。。。you know 。。。there's 。。a certain animal,
kind of instinct, 。。。in humans,
。。。 and maybe sometimes sex 。。。for the sake of sex 。。。is OK too,
。。。why does sex always have to be。。。 a flop?
。。。 Why can't I fulfill my, 。。。my pure
(Vivian: Animal magnetism)
physical desires?
Bow:
Because,。。。 you are married.
Daisy:
Okay. Well,
if I get a divorce,
。。。and I'm not。。。 gonna be 。。。married any more.
Luke:
Yeah, O.K. well,
then go ahead 。。。and get a divorce,
。。。 but well, I mean。。。 it's your life,。。。 I mean,。。。 you screwed up your life.
Bow:
Totally, I mean...you're gonna...
Vivian:
。。。Why is it that。。。 screwing up her life?
。。。 Why does divorce have to。。。 ruin your life?
Luke:
。。。Because she's turning her back 。。。on the greatest thing。。。 that's ever happened。。。 to her. 。。。That's why.
Bow:
The institution 。。。of marriage.
Luke:
Exactly.
Daisy:
Have you met 。。。my husband? No.
Luke:
No, I have not.
Daisy:
Yes, so, I don't think 。。。you're qualified to 。。。speak about it,。。 Mr. Love.
Luke:
Well, obviously,
he must have 。。。something going from,。。。
。。。 because you married him。。。 and you've lived 。。。with him。。。 for five years.
Daisy:
Yes, 。。。but that 。。。has gone.
I'm not 。。。in love 。。。with this person anymore;
I want to。。。 have sex 。。。with other people.
Vivian:
It was a mistake, 。。。she said.
Bow:
Or maybe, 。。。you know,。。。 you just weren't 。。。trying hard enough,
you have to 。。。spice up。。。 your marriage like,
you have to。。。 bring some toys。。。 into the bedroom,
spice it up, 。。。you know...。。。whips and...
Daisy:
No, spice it up 。。。by bearing another child
。。。 so that 。。。you're completely
。。。and forever eternally committed 。。。to that relationship?
Bow:
。。。That's my brother。。。 Luke's idea,
you know, 。。。he, he's not 。。。married yet,。。。 he doesn't know,
。。。 but I am. 。。。I have。。。 experience,
。。。 and yes of course。。。 you know,
we have。。。 our troubles every once。。。 in a while, but...
Daisy:
He's just 。。。wants free sex like you, O.K.
Bow:
That's not true.
Luke:
That's not true.
Vivian:
Don't get 。。。so defensive!
Luke:
I wanna..。。。. I'm looking for。。。 a committed relationship,
。。。 and I tell this 。。。to girls up front。。。 before I sleep 。。。with them,
。。。 and that 。。。I'm looking for 。。。something serious,
。。。but, sometimes, 。。。it just doesn't click.
Daisy:
I wanna hear about。。。 the toys.
Vivian:
I say,。。。 that's a line.
Bow:
I mean,。。。 the masks 。。。and specials。。。 I have order catalogs。。。 from Japan,
。。。 which are really great,
it... I mean。。。, I spent。。。 a lot of money。。。 on batteries a month?
。。。But it's totally worth it.
I mean, 。。。when you have。。。 an altercation,
。。。and all it takes 。。。is a double dong-dildo。。。 to rectify it,
it's a... I mean,。。。 it's no problem,
。。。I don't see 。。。anything wrong 。。。with that,
。。。 and you know, 。。。it's the thing。。。 with the people today they're。。。 so easy like a,
my brother was saying,。。。 to just, 。。。you know, 。。。to throw away 。。。a marriage.
。。。 But urn,。。。 for this, 。。。you're talking about。。。 going out 。。。and having sex,
。。。because you love sex...
Daisy:
Well,。。。 would you to be 。。。willing to。。。 if your wife said。。。 to you
"O.K. I love you, 。。。but I wanna be。。。 with another person。。。, to be involved 。。。with us."
Vivian:
All I want to be。。。 is sexually satisfied by,。。。 not a dildo。。。, but by the real thing.
Bow:
。。。 If that's。。。 what it would。。。 take to 。。。keep the fire。。。 in our marriage alive,
then yes 。。。I would.
Vivian:
You would 。。。let another man,
。。。if your wife said。。。 you
"No, I want 。。。another man。。。 to satisfy me,
I want to。。。 open our marriage,
。。。and take。。。 in new sexual partners"
。。。 you would do that。。。 for your wife?
Bow:
Yes, I would.
Vivian:
Even though,。。。 that's like。。。 kind of breaking 。。。your marriage, vows.
That's... I mean, 。。。that's just 。。。as good as going out 。。。and have an affair.
Bow:
Well, 。。。that depends on。。。 what kind of religion。。。 you have,
。。。 or what kind of standards, and...
Vivian:
。。。But, you guys 。。。are talking about。。。 the sanctity of marriage
。。。and the vows 。。。and not breaking them..,
。。。and 。。。how you should be。。。 forever committed。。。 to each other.
Bow:
Exactly,。。。 which means that.., 。。we'll do anything it。。。 takes to。。。 keep that alive.
Daisy:
。。。But, thus,。。。 do you really,
。。 can you sit here 。。。and honestly look me 。。。in the eye, Bow, 。。。and tell me.
Vivian:
Look at her 。。。in the eye!
Daisy:
And tell me,
(Vivian: Don't roll your eyes!)
you could 。。。watch another man。。。 having relations 。。。with Mary lou?
Bow:
I mean,。。。 if, if, 。。。what it took was for,。。。 if she, 。。。if she asked.
Vivian:
Don't break down on this.
Bow:
。。。If she asked me,。。。 you know,。。。
。。。 to have some sort 。。。of deviant relationship。。。 in bed,
。。。 that's,...that's 。。。what I had to do,
。。。 that's 。。。what I have to do!
Vivian:
。。。But I just asked you,。。。 what about。。。 the sacred vows 。。。of your marriage 。。。that you supposedly uphold。。。 so highly.
Luke:
。。。But I mean,。。。 if it's something。。。 that your partner wants,
I don't think。。。 you have to be。。。 limited。。。 by the traditional ideas。。。 of marriage,
of course,。。。 we're living in。。。 changing times.
。。。 And people have。。。 different needs
。。。and different things 。。。that turn them 。。。on and stuff,
。。。 and I mean。。。 there's room。。。 within a marriage to。。。 change some 。。。of those standard perceptions,
I mean。。。 I think, um,。。。 I think 。。。it's important 。。。that people,
。。。that people find 。。。and make their 。。。own definitions of marriage.
I think 。。。it's important 。。。that they, 。。。that they, just,
。。。 that they seek out 。。。what's best for them,
。。。and within 。。。a marriage。。 no one 。。can touch that,。。。
。。。 that's just you 。。。and your partner,
。。。make it work 。。。however it has to,。。。 however it has to。。。 happen.
Vivian:
So, 。。。why can't。。。 the same apply。。。 for Daisy,
。。。or I mean。。。 what if her,。。。 her husband came to。。。 a mutual agreement。。。 that their marriage。。。 isn't going to 。。。go anywhere,
。。。 from here. 。。。I mean, 。。。that they mutually agree 。。。that this is 。。。the point where,
you know 。。。that they're going to.
Bow:
That's exactly。。。 what we're saying.
We want her。。。 to try something。。。 before she gives up。。。 on her marriage.
Vivian:
Not, not give up.。。。 I'm not 。。。saying try.
I'm saying 。。。they both agree。。。 that they're gonna 。。。both go their own ways,
。。and that 。。they have tried.
Luke:
I'm just saying 。。。that's a dangerous pattern 。。。to get into
. I think 。。。once you've made that...
Vivian:
Who says 。。。it's a pattern?
Doing it once ..。。。.doing it once isn't,
。。。 it's not like。。。 you're gonna divorce。。。 a hundred times 。。。in your life.
Luke:
But you might。。。 get married.
。。。 If you get married 。。。a hundred times 。。。what's to stop you。。。 from divorcing?
Daisy:
No, well, No,
I don't want to。。。 get married again.
You know,。。。 everybody doesn't have to 。。。speak。。。 for me.
I don't wanna。。。 get married again.
。。。 And the thing。。。 is I think 。。。it's probably innately human。。。 for us。。。 to want to 。。。have more than 。。。one partner,
。。。and if I married a man 。。。that can not 。。。fulfill my needs,
。。。and then 。。。why should take the responsibility 。。。and onus all 。。。by myself, 。。。to fix that.
Luke:
。。。But, people.。。。 Its works better,
。。。if you would。。。 just stay 。。。with one person,。。。 that works better.
Vivian:
。。。Why do you have to be。。。 with one person,
I never wanna。。。 get married
I'm perfectly satisfied。。。 living my own life,
。。。and you know,。。。 you can perfectly, 。。。have a partner,
。。。and not get married, 。。。you can 。。。live the rest of your life。。。 with one partner,
。。。why must you 。。。get married?
Is it some inevitable thing。。。 that you have to。。。 cross?
Daisy:
Sure,。。 and even if 。。。she doesn't want to 。。。get married,
I mean, 。。。if she chooses。。。 to have a single life.
Vivian:
And be faithful to him.
Daisy:
Or not even have 。。。a partner,
。。。or not even have 。。。a partner,
。。。in today's society,。。。
there are several options 。。。if she wanted to be。。。 a mother,
a single mother is。。 nothing new in today's society.
There's surrogate mothers,
well, I mean, 。。。you know,。。。
。。。 there's 。。。so many opportunities out there。。。 for women,
。。。why do I have to。。 choose this archaic,。。。 patriarchal,。。。 system,
。。。um that men created, 。。。marriage.
Luke:
Well, no I mean,。。。 I'm sorry it's come to。。 it that you see it。。。 that way 。。。
，。。。but I think 。。。that you are missing out 。。。on one of the great treasures of life 。。。and that's...
Vivian:
And How do you know,。。。 you're not even married,
you just have this idealistic marriage um idea 。。。in your head..
Luke:
O.K. How about this? I
'll appeal to on a more of a legalistic
and pragmatic angle, I mean,
without marriage.
You don't get all these tax-breaks 。。。and stuff 。。。and you don't get 。。。the same benefits that,
。。。that you'd get。。。 if you're married. 。。。
。。。If you're single,。。。 you're just living together。。。 that's not gonna,
。。。 that's not gonna, 。。。that's not gonna hold up 。。。in a court-of-law.
。。。There are so many benefits you get.
Just from a pragmatic point of view.
Vivian:
I'll play your game.
I'll adopt a kid, ha.
Bow:
But you won't get respect from society, s
ociety doesn't, 。。。does not 。。。respect 。。。single mothers 。。。or single women.
Vivian:
I'll donate,
I'll donate
. Why not?
Daisy:
Because society。。。 is ruled 。。。by a government of white,
conservative men, 。。。and there。。。 in lies the problem.
Vivian:
O.K. 。。。What about this?
Alright Bow,
I honestly, 。。。don't believe。。。 you are satisfied。。。 with your marriage,
you're not。。。 lustful of your wife,
。。。 and she isn't of you.
You guys 。。。are in it 。。。on your marriage,
。。。 it's a functional marriage.
You guys feel like you。。。 have to be 。。。with each other,
you have to。。。 raise this picture
(Daisy: Three kids)
perfect family, 。。。exactly,
。。。and you are。。。 tied down。。。 by your kids 。。。and your dog 。。。and your BMW and your two door garage.
Luke:
Have you never seen them togethe。。。r the way 。。。they're fawn over each other,。。。 and dote on each other?
Vivian:
In front of others, sure.
Bow:
You, just,。。。 you're saying。。。 that from lack。。。 of experience,
you just haven't 。。。been there,
once you cross over。。。 to the other side。。。 then maybe we。。。 can have this conversation.
Vivian:
I don't wanna be。。。 on the other side.
I'm perfectly happy。。。 living the life 。。that I am.
Bow:
Sure, promiscuous。。。 and just another man every other night and,
you know, 。。。you don't know。。。 if you have a disease。。。 or, you know...
Luke:
Ignorance is bliss.
Bow
: Exactly.
Vivian:
I get my pap smear every six months.
Bow:
Doesn't matter,
the thing is, it's not..,
you're just thinking about。。。 sex in the,
。。。 because of the,
the function of sex.
It just pure lust 。。。and that's not 。。。what it's all about, 。。。it's about like,。。。 yes, of course.
Daisy:
Well, you're not thinking about。。。 the lust。。。 when you use those toys。。。 with your wife?
Bow:
No, maybe, 。。。she is, 。。。but to me,
(Daisy: Maybe she is),
。。。 it's really, 。。。it's like。。。 um the ultimate of a... coming together,
。。。that fusion of marriage 。。。and love is, 。。。is intercourse,
。。。with each other。。。 and it's not just the function of it.
It's,。。。 it's more like。。。 a union of our souls coming together,
。。。 and it's not like, 。。。you know,。。。 of course,。。。 I think 。。。of other women as attractive,
wow, she is really beautiful,。。。 and but.., 。。。it's more of an attraction to my wife,
well, I mean,。。。 even when 。。。I see her naked 。。。with her stretch marks 。。。and her rolls,
。。。that's doesn't matter。。。。 to me.。。。 It's just like,。。。 I don't even see that.
