Interview: Weeden & Co---Maxwell, Charlie---Analyst
>> and welcome back to “after the bell.” crude oil rose for the seven time in nine sessions as wintry weather takes holdory the northeast. and there was a meeting in kuwait today where opec says it may cut production in 2006. to recap headlines and offer his analysis for 2006 is charlie maxwell. he’s in stamford, connecticut, today.
>> hi, lori.
>> you were able to listen to the interview with samuel bodman. bodman saying we’re doing pretty well in terms of supply. do you agree with him?
>> yes, i do. remember, rita and katrina and emily, they all came through during hurricane season and cut back our ability to produce all of the natural gas we would normally like at this time of year, and that is something we can’t stop, except in a very long term, you know, the water is becoming rather warmer in the gulf of mexico, and this is a problem about the world’s weather, and i think we’re going to be getting these hurricanes on a more frequent basis, we’ve got to hurry and begin to put some cushion between us and trouble.
>> what might you suggest for cushion?
>> well, we need to do more with cutting back the use of gasoline and diesel by big trucks and small trucks and s.u.v.’s and cars. we really need to conserve a good deal, then we need to put in more subsidies for development and research on how to build engines to use less gasoline and diesel. there is a huge amount of conversation we can can get out of our system and we need to obtain it as quickly as possible. the government is starting to do, but more could actually be done.
>> so i want to jump ahead. we were talking earlier about this conflict of interest between big oil’s public and private interest. a lot of debate about what they should do with windfall profits. should they put that money into exploration and production, or continue to pay out high dividends and do share buy backs?
>> it’s a very controversial area, and i think being in a free economy, it’s hard for us, fillo soffically to pressure people to do things with money they don’t think is economic. i do think that there is some jaw bonying that can go on, there are studies that he can made, partly by the government. government is optimistic about how we’re going to get through this difficult period of the five and 10 years before perhaps a nuclear power can come back. that’s always the great hope down the road. but, the meantime, oil is going over―over a kind of peak in the nonopec world around 2010, and we need to make up the oil divisioncy with natural gas and coal, natural gas is now getting tight, so it will have to be more coal and a big slug of conservation, and that’s where we’ll end up, a big slug of conservation.
>> talking about the opec meeting this morning, specifically oil prices, opec is leaning toward that band of $50 per barrel. does that make sense?
>> well, so far it does make sense from an economic point of view. our system is not slowing down very much, under the impact of $50 barrels, and if allows analysts like me to suggest that while in the past we’ve had big rises and then big subsequent falls, time i think things are different, we’re going to have a much lesser fall. yes, we’ll pull back from 71 to perhaps $50 to perhaps 45, but i see many people quite content with the assumption that we’ll go back to $30. i doubt in my lifetime i’ll ever see a $30 barrel again.
>> where do crude price goes from here into next year?
>> i think they come down to about $50 in spring and summer, and they may spike down to $47 or $48, they stay around the $50 mark for summer, then they go back to $55 or $60 for winter. which is quite a normal seasonal variation, i think they’ll stay that way, lori, for perhaps a year or 18 months, while we accommodate ourselves to living with this higher cost, but in the end, we’re going to be needing to use more oil, india and china are emerging as heavy powers needing a great deal more oil. there isn’t going to be more oil out there, because we peak out in 2010 and 2012 and 2015 in various countries, we are going to have to go back to either saving it or going without, and it’s just a lot easier to save it.
>> in our remaining moments, how much trouble would we be in if we had a natural disaster or terrorist attack that would get way in the production?
>> right now we’re using 98% capacity you the i hadization, so the answer is we’d be in a lot of trouble, we have to quickly get the oil companies to invest more, beginning to save more, begin to set into place government cob servation programs so we have a cushion that will save us from the next terrorist event.
>> we’ll leave it there. charlie macwell, thank you so much for joining us.
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Listen Interview: U.S. Energy Secretary--Bodman, Samuel---Other
bell.” merck suffered a set back when a judge declared a mistrial in the third case involving vioxx. the jury was deadlocked on whether the drug caused a florida man’s death. much more in stock reaction coming up. opec may consider production cuts next year, peter cook will speak with u.s. energy secretary. first, let’s get the settling numbers as the market closes. the dow loses just about nine points to close at 10,769. shares of merck fell. s&p gains one to close at 1260, and nasdaq closes at 2260 with a gain of 4 1/4 points. oil prices closed above $61 a barrel on signs cold weather will boost fuel demand. opec ministers also left the door open to production cuts. nymex crude oil futures rallied more than 3% today, settling at 61.30 a barrel. forrest of the energy complex, natural gas, a big gainer, ricing more than 3 1/2%. su keenan joins us with the latest.
>> let’s focus on opec, agreed to keep output quotas unchanged and withdraw a previous offer to use two million barrels of capacity. no one has taken up on opec on the aspare capacity offer it was, quote, no big deal. the big focus analysts say is on opec’s january meeting. oppenheimer says opec is continuing to pump at the highest levels in 25 years because, his words it doesn’t want to look like the grinch that stole christmas.
>> the question is will demand u.s. is taken current level of oil prices? that’s the $64 question. and opec is looking very carefully at that, because if there is an economic slowdown, and the market goes down without an immediate response, we could see oil prices going down.
>> many analysts say that opec is sending a bullish natural and hinting it may cut production next month.
>> they are taking the extra barrels, the extra capacity, taking that offer―that’s coming to a close at the end of this month there was language that said as an organization we have to pay attention to the ceiling in place, this free-for-all mentalties has to come toy aclose. and the meeting at the end of january says they are watching the market and they will be ready, willing, and able to act
>> meanwhile, cold weather continues to drive prices higher, one analyst says mother nature is a bull right now. lori.
>> thank you very much, su. continuing with the oil story. today, opec supplies 40% of the world’s oil, they announced once again they will keep output close to a 25-year high, but members hinted they may consider cutting production next year. we have more on this in a special money and politics discussion. peter.
>> i’m joined by u.s. energy secretary samuel bobman. first of all, thank you for the time today.
>> peter, i’m happy to be here.
>> i would like to get your reaction to the meeting today. the cartel will continue producing 28 million barrels a day, but members may also consider cutting production next year. are you disappointed with that?
>> no. i’m in frequent touch, peter, with both the ministers who represent opec countries and nonopec countries who are producers and suppliers of the market . and in each case i try to make the case to them that it’s very important for them and for us as well as the other buyers that the market be well supplied with product. and as far as i can tell, that’s what they decided to do today to supply product and to continue to do that. obviously, it’s in their interests to examine that and look at it from time to time, so i’m not disappointed are
>> what about the specific decision to withdraw this offer the 2 million barrels of spare capacity, to that i that off the market , because there were no market participant that requested any of that supply. i concerns about that decision?
>> no, i don’t really there either. the―that product was described to me as being heavy oil, heavy material that the refining capacity of the world would have difficulty handling, and one of the big issues that is causing the kind of price situation that we have in heating oil, as well as in other refined products, an absence of refining capacity. we’ve been working hard, encouraging, also encouraged the producing companies to hopefully get busy and get the new alaska natural gas pipeline up and going, to get that committed to. as well as anwar, it’s right before congress as we speak, i’m eager to see that hopefully congress will act favorablely on that and give the president a bill to pass, to sign.
>> before we move on to anwr, i wanted to ask you specifically about opec, the notion that we’re at $61 a barrel oil, the possibility of a production cut doesn’t trouble you at all heading into next year?
>> of course we want to make sure―i will continue to advocate to the ministers involved, both opec and nonopec nations that it’s important for them to keep markets well supplied. i think it’s in their interests as well as in ours. that’s what i discussed with the various opec countries during a recent trip to the region there is a―a situation where in the past we have seen a decline in the usage of oil this is something that they are used to, they want to monitor. i don’t think that’s unreasonable.
>> so nothing you would like to see opec doing at this point to try and ease prices right now? no additional steps would you like to see them make? any specific requests you made before this meeting that perhaps did not transpire?
>> no. we have only―i have encouraged them to continue the supply, keep these markets well supplied, and as best i can tell, have done that that’s what decision today was. they are already pumping at the max mum supply possible to serve the markets of the world, and i can’t ask for more than that.
>> let me ask you about some numbers coming from the department of energy today. their energy outlook, the updated energyout look, coming from the energy administration information, the forecast looking out to 2025. anything that cause you concern? there is an expectation that the price of oil will increase more so than the department forecast a short time ago. your sense of the market going forward and the outlook from the government?
>> well, the outlook that was published today has go bothersome in it. it increased the 20-year out figure for the barrel of oil. that’s an indication that in their judgment, that demand is going to continue increasing, and that we’re going to have -- we’ll have challenges from that. it’s one of the reasons i’m very happy we passed the energy bill that the president signed into law. we’re getting all sorts of things that are getting started. if you look at the forecast, you’ll see increases in nuclear energy, increases in clean coal, increases―the effects of some of the tax impact on new hybrid vehicles, you’ll see a number of different things, also on on renewables and renewable forms of energy. that’s all starting to grow as a direct result of the energy law that was passed into law last august.
>> let me ask you about a more immediate situation that has to do with natural gas. we saw today the price is up more than 3 1/2% today. you talked after the gulf coast hurricanes about your concern about natural gas supplies heading into the winter heating season is your worst-case scenario playing out here, or is this go the country and consumers can handle?
>> we hope it will be able to handle it. the president is very concerned about the high prices, and the damage it’s doing to the budgets of american families. it’s one of the reasons he’s come out for a billion-dollar increase in the low-income heating assistance program that’s managing in the health and human services department, a billion dollars will go a long way to helping keep our citizens warm and sthafe winter some of beer very sensitive to it, the president is working very hard on it.
>> is the supply situation satisfactory to you right now?
>> we continue to have supply issues with respect to natural gas. the―we have about a third of the natural gas that is produced normaly on the gulf coast continues to be shut in and that is causing a shorter supply than we would like to have. the problem with natural gas, it’s a highly localized market , and it’s something that we’re material that something not movies i will, especially since we have not accommodated the use of l.n.g. in this country, and that’s part of the energy bill, i think we’ll see a change there.
>> thank you, samuel bodman.
>> thank you, peter. we’ll continue our focus on the energy markets today. we’ll be joined by our next guest, says oil prices could reach $75 a barrel.